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CO: Ban Damage: CO And now, the roofs begin tumbling down
United Pro Smoker's Newsletter ^ | July 26, 2006 | Bill Johnson

Posted on 07/31/2006 5:15:29 AM PDT by SheLion

The issue is no longer just about smoking.

Passing a state law outlawing smoking in most public places was, by this comparison, the easiest thing to do.

The law was not required to address the inevitable hardships such a bill was destined to inflict.

There was clapping and backslapping on the floor of the state Senate the afternoon it passed there. But none of that really matters now, when the issue is one of how it impacts people's lives.

They are men and women who once ran tiny, yet prosperous, packed-to- the-kegs establishments, who now tend mostly empty bars. The looks on their faces would be no different had their roofs actually fallen in.

They call me. What am I supposed to do, I ask? Write about it, they respond.

What has happened is a statewide tragedy, sponsored by the government. And where are all of the people, they all want to know, that the government promised would flock to their now-smoke-free bars?

The loudest of them, of course, has been Jim VonFeldt, owner of the venerable Billy's Inn at 44th Avenue and Lowell Boulevard.

In the weeks between the governor's signing of the bill and July 1, when the law went into effect, he rallied a relatively small band of tavern owners to challenge the law in court.

A judge denied their sought-after injunction. The litigation itself remains pending in the courts.

Jim VonFeldt has just returned to Billy's from his banker when he calls me, yet again.

He has owned the place for 21 years; his wife's family owned it for nearly 20 years before that. His two grown children are his only employees.

And now, he wants to talk.

It is just after 1 p.m. when I walk into the joint. The only sound emanates from a television in the corner, droning a detective show. Only bearded, vacant-eyed Jay, who has occupied the same far-corner barstool for decades, inhabits the place.

Jim VonFeldt walks up from the back, carrying a large stack of documents. He begins reading from them.

Total business is off 35.14 percent since July 1, he begins. Liquor sales, jukebox, cigarette, vending and Lotto scratch-off machine receipts have declined in 23 short days by at least half.

"That video golf game used to average $75 to $100 a week. The last two weeks, the vendor and I split the 6 bucks that were in it," Jim VonFeldt says.

"Where are all these people the government told me would make my life better? My most loyal customers come, but maybe they have a drink. Most have just stopped coming altogether."

As leader of the Coalition for Equal Rights, the tavern owners' group, he gets calls every day, he says. Three come in as we chat, including one from the lawyer representing the group.

"This is simply crippling," he moans into the phone to the lawyer. Hanging up, he beseeches me to look at the blue folder in front of him. It is filled with his complete financial records, the same ones he has just handed his banker at Chase to leverage his house to the hilt in order to pay his bills. I decline.

So he hands me his state workers compensation bill.

"I don't have the money. All of my cash flow has been depleted," Jim VonFeldt said. "And if I don't have workers comp, I can be fined up to $17,000. I don't know what I am going to do."

To emphasize his point, he walks me to the automatic teller machine I had used a month before.

A large "out of order" sign now lies across the keyboard.

"I don't have enough $20 bills to put in it," he says.

He reads from a stack of notes taken during myriad recent conversations with Coalition members, of patrons saying they are going outside for a smoke but never come back, of fights the bartenders inside can no longer break up, of thieves cleaning out cash registers when bartenders themselves sneak out for a drag or two.

Many owners, Jim VonFeldt says, are doing what he did two days ago: writing Bill Owens and begging for an exemption to the law.

"The ban has decimated my business," his letter to the governor begins. "I am one or two weeks away from bankruptcy.

"If I lose this, so goes my whole family. Please grant this exemption for my family."

The last sentence he has typed in large bold letters.

While he waits to hear back from the governor, he fumes.

"We've got young men now fighting all over the world for what they tell us is for democracy and freedom," Jim VonFeldt, 60, said.

"Yet our own government is taking away my freedom to operate my business right here at home. It's just not right."

He sighs.

"At a time when I should be planning for retirement and the good things in life, the only thing I'm planning is how to survive. If I fail - and this worries me the most - I fail my children.

"I don't know what I am going to do."


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To: Beagle8U
If you are correct your bar will be packed full of dorks ...

Non-smokers are Dorks, cause all the COOL KIDS smoke? < /sarc >

201 posted on 07/31/2006 2:33:36 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: JimRed
"Non-smokers are Dorks, cause all the COOL KIDS smoke? < /sarc >"

Non-smokers aren't dorks, just the ones that go to smoking establishments for the sole reason of bitching about the smokers, once its smoke free they'll never go back.
202 posted on 07/31/2006 2:42:41 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of "STUPID" for breakfast)
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To: JimRed

The way I finally knew I'd kicked the addiction was when I could have a beer with no desire to light up. It took over a year.

Drug addicts rarely, if ever, have success unless forced into a rehab facility. This is only after numerous arrests. Usually, for robbery, murder, etc. If I'm not being too personal, what facility did you go to? Have you spent time in jail for committing crimes to buy cigarettes? 90% of drug addicts spend time in jail for committing crimes to buy drugs..

203 posted on 07/31/2006 2:51:41 PM PDT by Bogey
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To: Bogey
If I'm not being too personal, what facility did you go to?

If I'm reading your point right, you deny that nicotine dependency is an addiction.

Nobody needs a facility if they decide to change things, and stick with their decision. When I got tired of coughing up brown slime for the first few minutes after I got up in the morning, I started to think about quitting. When, one night after the stores were closed and I had no change for the machine in the lobby of the building I lived in, I found myself scrounging through my car's ashtray for a smokeable butt or two, I made the decision.

A few miserable weeks, a number of months of occasional cravings, gradually to "boy, a butt would be great with this beer". After 13 or 14 months the desire was gone.

204 posted on 07/31/2006 3:14:31 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: mysterio
Good. Looks like smokers are doing their jobs out there. They don't want our money? Cool. Do without it, then. Businesses are a powerful lobby. The ban only goes through because they let it and in some cases encourage it. They do that in my area, and I won't spend a dime, even after I quit smoking. They've done it here in the town where I work, and I actively avoid every business in town now. They should have put up a fight and said that they valued 27% of their customers.

Like one poster said:

If, as a citizen, society does not cater to my interests, why should I cater to the interests of society?

205 posted on 07/31/2006 3:34:51 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: RandallFlagg

You sure put a lot of time and work into these cards Randall. They look GREAT!!!!


206 posted on 07/31/2006 3:50:47 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Ditter
If all you are doing is taking to business owners and telling them your druthers, fine as long as you accept that they should have the right either way. It is the pinheads that want the nanny state to make the business owners do this or that, that I was posting about.
207 posted on 07/31/2006 4:47:04 PM PDT by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: Moonman62; Just another Joe
My agenda is that smokers should respect the person and property of others by keeping their smoke, their ashes, and their butts to themselves.

Stay off my property and you won't have a problem........your agenda neither respects me as a person nor my property.

208 posted on 07/31/2006 4:54:04 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: SheLion
Smoking and non smoking sections worked just fine,

If the business owner declares his place a nonsmoking business, that okay with me I just won't go there. But what gets me is demanding under threat of law that an owner not allow smoking. It is his/her place, let em make up their own minds. That is freedom. People who don't like it don't have to enter.
209 posted on 07/31/2006 5:00:56 PM PDT by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: JimRed

If I'm reading your point right, you deny that nicotine dependency is an addiction.

Not at all. Drug addicts have facilities to help cure their addiction. I only asked which facility, you joined.You refused to answer. Most drug addicts are criminals.You admited to being a drug addict.You never told me the facility that supposedly cured you. What crimes did you commit, to purchase cigarettes? What facility did you enter to end you drug addiction? How much time did you do in prison for crimes to purchase cigarettes?

210 posted on 07/31/2006 5:08:49 PM PDT by Bogey
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To: Moonman62
So you enjoy the spread of fascism in America because you are a, sadist? Those persons and went there willingly.
You said you don't go to smoking places. That proves no one has to. W.A.A.
211 posted on 07/31/2006 5:16:01 PM PDT by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: smug
No, I'm a masochist. I enjoy being called a nazi, gnazi, fascist, and conspirator by the tobacco addicts.
212 posted on 07/31/2006 6:23:00 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: smug

That's it smug!


213 posted on 07/31/2006 6:52:56 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Eagle Eye

Thank you for your expression of pity.

But remember, "Don't mourn, organize!"

Tell all liberals about the ecoconscious "Ride Your Bicycle to the Polls on Election Wednesday" campaign.

We'll euchre the b$stards yet.


214 posted on 07/31/2006 9:56:53 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (WARNING: Alcohol may cause you to think you are whispering when you are definitely not.)
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To: Bogey
Most drug addicts are criminals.

Is that your assumption because you ASSUME most addicts are hooked on illegal substances or because you ASSUME addicts commit criminal acts separate from their substance use? Or are you suggesting that addiction causes other criminal behavior?

Can you prove that most addicts are criminals?

Nicotine and alcohol are addictive. Neither are illegal for adults. Many pain meds are addictive and consumed legally.

Are you sure that most drug addicts are criminals?

215 posted on 08/01/2006 5:29:57 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: CSM

"I only smoke when I drink....I'm up to a pack a day! ;-)"

Good one! Reminded me of a Rodney Dangerfield joke...He said he and his wife were trying to quit smoking so they decided they would only smoke after having sex. Rodney said he was down to one cigarette a month while his wife was up to 2 packs a day!


216 posted on 08/01/2006 6:31:24 AM PDT by Hornet19 ((spp.gov)...Read it and GET MAD!)
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To: Eagle Eye
Are you sure that most drug addicts are criminals?

Are you suggesting most heroin and crack addicts are CEO'S?

217 posted on 08/01/2006 6:46:01 AM PDT by Bogey
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To: Bogey
Not at all. Drug addicts have facilities to help cure their addiction. I only asked which facility, you joined.You refused to answer.

Refused to answer? Read the post again.

Nobody needs a facility if they decide to change things, and stick with their decision.

218 posted on 08/01/2006 9:19:32 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: JimRed

When I got tired of coughing up brown slime for the first few minutes after I got up in the morning, I started to think about quitting. When, one night after the stores were closed and I had no change for the machine in the lobby of the building I lived in, I found myself scrounging through my car's ashtray for a smokeable butt or two, I made the decision.

I have total respect for you, you are an admitted drug addict. I wish you the best.

219 posted on 08/04/2006 8:52:09 PM PDT by Bogey
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To: JimRed

I only asked which facility, you joined.You refused to answer.


220 posted on 08/04/2006 9:02:58 PM PDT by Bogey
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