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Basic Evolutionist Time Sandwich
7/23/06 | self

Posted on 07/23/2006 9:36:42 AM PDT by tomzz

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To: tomzz

Wow! Did you come up with this theory all by yourself?


41 posted on 07/23/2006 11:09:33 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Is tractus pro pensio.)
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To: shrinkermd
If intelligent design or some other matter suggesting God action is proved then ipso facto they are wrong.

Your initial premise is flawed. Intelligent design does not suggest the existence of a supernatural entity or entities anymore than it suggests the existence of space aliens. In both the theory of evolution and intelligent design, the existence of the supernatural is not addressed.

Darwinist religion

Please comment on this. If I am a proponent of biological evolution, am I also a "darwinist"?
42 posted on 07/23/2006 11:17:06 AM PDT by Boxen (Stupid, frail, non-compartmentalized organic meatbags!)
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To: dread78645
1) Someone at IBM working on OS/2 (which you use at work) tells you that bananas have become sentient and are plotting to take over the world. You respond by:

A) scoffing and telling the dude to get a life.
B) grabbing your shotgun, and heading towards the nearest supermarket to kick some banana ass.

Score:
If you answered A, you are not Ted Holden.
If you answered B, your best friend is a bat named 'splifford', you are referred to as a 'net.loon', and you are Ted Holden. Too bad for you.

43 posted on 07/23/2006 11:19:38 AM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance is never better than knowledge. - Enrico Fermi)
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To: RS

Well,let's not forget about how Czar Nicholas served woolly mammoth meat at a banquet which had been discovered flash frozen in a glacier with partly digested plants still in its system


44 posted on 07/23/2006 11:22:39 AM PDT by Armigerous ( Non permitte illegitimi te carborundum- "Don't let the bastards grind you down")
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To: Jeff Gordon

No.


45 posted on 07/23/2006 11:28:38 AM PDT by tomzz
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To: tomzz
The pictograph at Agawa Rock at Lake Ontario shows the sawblade back fairly clearly . . .

Interesting observation, but the pictograph in question is actually found along the north shore of Lake Superior, not Lake Ontario. The Ojibway natives of that area attributed the harsh, unpredictable weather on the lake they called "Gitchee-Gumee" to the great spirit Mishipizhiw (the dinosaur-like figure in the pictograph).

46 posted on 07/23/2006 11:31:31 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: tomzz; AnnaZ; incindiary; knarf; CounterCounterCulture; Alamo-Girl

outstanding find!!


47 posted on 07/23/2006 11:32:09 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8)
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To: SandyInSeattle
"I've found this to be a fascinating subject. Chuck Missler did a study on it that I still have on tape and bring out every now and then. It's still over my head, but it's fascinating."

Missler is way over most peoples heads but provides fascinating studies. The last two hours I've been listening to his discourse on Matthew 24....guess I'll have to listen a few more times.

shalom

48 posted on 07/23/2006 11:35:39 AM PDT by patriot_wes (Law of Unintended Consequences; Infant Baptism = an unbelieving, unsaved church.)
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To: tomzz
Imagine a population of 100,000 apes or “proto-humans” ten million years ago which are all genetically alike other than for two with a “beneficial mutation”. Imagine also that this population has the human or proto-human generation cycle time of roughly 20 years.

Imagine that the beneficial mutation in question is so good, that all 99,998 other die out immediately (from jealousy), and that the pair with the beneficial mutation has 100,000 kids and thus replenishes the herd.

Why does he hypothetically eliminate the rest of the herd? There is no logic to it. Any number of the other 999,998 could be the evolutionary spark - take that quantum leap so to speak - that speeds up the whole process.

This proves nothing, really.

49 posted on 07/23/2006 11:40:03 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: elfman2
I think a reasonable person can be a believer in creation or ID, and I have absolutely nothing against them. But there’s something seriously wrong with someone who goes out of their way to misrepresent evolution.

"Going out of their way to misrepresent" .NE. "Not doing sufficient background"

50 posted on 07/23/2006 11:40:37 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: raybbr

Standard evolution theory involves the concept of genetic death due to substitution, i.e. to old stock dying out BECAUSE of the appearance of a new and superior genotype. All Remine is doing is postulating the maximal possible value of such a phenomenon and demonstrating that even that cannot make a reasonable scenario out of the idea of man evolving from an "ape-like ancestor" in ten million years or less.


51 posted on 07/23/2006 11:43:09 AM PDT by tomzz
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To: balrog666
C) You tell him he's got it all wrong, it was monkeys, not bananas, and hand him a DVD of the children's TV-show / movie Fairly Oddparents: Abracatastrophe

This means you have had children in your home in the recent past...

Cheers!

52 posted on 07/23/2006 11:43:37 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: tomzz

bump for later


53 posted on 07/23/2006 11:44:07 AM PDT by sawmill trash (You declare jihad ... we declare DEGUELLO !)
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To: tomzz
Standard evolution theory involves the concept of genetic death due to substitution, i.e. to old stock dying out BECAUSE of the appearance of a new and superior genotype. All Remine is doing is postulating the maximal possible value of such a phenomenon and demonstrating that even that cannot make a reasonable scenario out of the idea of man evolving from an "ape-like ancestor" in ten million years or less.

Remine's postualation is inherently flawed. Evolutionary changes aren't limited to one lineage. It assumes that all evolutionary change is linear and precludes any exponential changes.

54 posted on 07/23/2006 11:47:10 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Alberta's Child
The Ojibway natives of that area attributed the harsh, unpredictable weather on the lake they called "Gitchee-Gumee" to the great spirit Mishipizhiw

Gordon Lightfoot *ping*!

The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy.

With a load of iron ore - 26,000 tons more
Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty
That good ship and true was a bone to be chewed
When the gales of November came early

The ship was the pride of the American side
Coming back from some mill in Wisconson
As the big freighters go it was bigger than most
With a crew and the Captain well seasoned.

Concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms
When they left fully loaded for Cleveland
And later that night when the ships bell rang
Could it be the North Wind they'd been feeling.

The wind in the wires made a tattletale sound
And a wave broke over the railing
And every man knew, as the Captain did, too,
T'was the witch of November come stealing.

The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
When the gales of November came slashing
When afternoon came it was freezing rain
In the face of a hurricane West Wind

When supper time came the old cook came on deck
Saying fellows it's too rough to feed ya
At 7PM a main hatchway caved in
He said fellas it's been good to know ya.

The Captain wired in he had water coming in
And the good ship and crew was in peril
And later that night when his lights went out of sight
Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When the words turn the minutes to hours
The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
If they'd fifteen more miles behind her.

They might have split up or they might have capsized
They may have broke deep and took water
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters.

Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings
In the ruins of her ice water mansion
Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams,
The islands and bays are for sportsmen.

And farther below Lake Ontario
Takes in what Lake Erie can send her
And the iron boats go as the mariners all know
With the gales of November remembered.

In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed
In the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral
The church bell chimed, 'til it rang 29 times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald.

The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
Superior, they say, never gives up her dead
When the gales of November come early

55 posted on 07/23/2006 11:48:15 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: tomzz
No.

Oh, ok. Mea culpa

If you want to play scientist you really should credit your sources.

56 posted on 07/23/2006 11:51:21 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Is tractus pro pensio.)
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To: shrinkermd

" One who is an atheist or agnostic must by necessity believe in evolution."

In the absence of an invisible man in the sky, the atheist falls back on observation and reason to try and untangle reality. If the theory of evolution fits the facts, it isn't surprising he will go with it, as opposed to 'believing' something in the absence of observation but rather swallowing whole the superstition of others.

Your subsuming reason under belief does you a disservice, but since people aren't reasoned into religious beliefs, it's a waste of time to trying reasoning them out of it.


57 posted on 07/23/2006 11:59:25 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: tomzz

Evolution-deniers: They fear what they do not understand.


58 posted on 07/23/2006 12:05:51 PM PDT by thomaswest (Just curious)
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To: tomzz

I don't think evolution is entirely a matter of new genes appearing by mutation, then being selected. What if a new gene causes expression of several genes which are already present, but latent in the ancestor? Couldn't that produce more rapid evolution? There are probably many genes shared between modern man and chimps or ancestral hominids, which are expressed very differently in the various species. This could help explain why man and apes have so many genes in common, yet are phenotypically very different. Human evolution, for example, is postulated to involve neoteny, by which genes active only during early youth in the ancestors remain active much longer in man.


59 posted on 07/23/2006 12:10:42 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: tomzz
From the same site that brought you threads such as: FreeRepublic Becomes Rotting Stinky Fish.

Link to anti-freeper sites more, please. kthx.

60 posted on 07/23/2006 12:11:21 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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