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Reason to Believe : A leading geneticist argues that science can lead to faith
Washington Post ^ | 07/09/2006 | Scott Russell Sanders

Posted on 07/09/2006 8:40:40 PM PDT by SirLinksalot

Reason to Believe A leading geneticist argues that science can lead to faith.

Reviewed by Scott Russell Sanders

THE LANGUAGE OF GOD

A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief

By Francis S. Collins

Here we are, briefly, under the sun, one species among millions on a gorgeous planet in the remote provinces of the universe, our very existence a riddle. Of all the words we use to mask our ignorance, none has been more abused, none has given rise to more strife, none has rolled from the tongues of more charlatans than the name of God. Nor has any word been more often invoked as the inspiration for creativity, charity or love.

So what are we talking about when we talk about God? The geneticist Francis S. Collins bravely sets out to answer this question in light of his scientific knowledge and his Christian faith. Having found for himself "a richly satisfying harmony between the scientific and spiritual worldviews," he seeks to persuade others that "belief in God can be an entirely rational choice, and that the principles of faith are, in fact, complementary with the principles of science."

As a researcher who helped discover the genetic basis for cystic fibrosis and other diseases and as the director of the Human Genome Project, Collins brings strong credentials to the scientific side of his argument. For the spiritual side, he draws on Christian authorities such as Augustine of Hippo, Thomas Aquinas and C.S. Lewis. His aim is to address "extremists on both sides of the science/faith divide." On one extreme are those scientists who insist that the universe is purely and exclusively matter, and on the other are literal interpreters of the Book of Genesis who reject the last two centuries of scientific discovery.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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To: VadeRetro

Thanks, sorry it appeared that I doubted your intentions, I was merely referring to the marginalizing practice on both sides of the crevo 'discussions'. Now that a fellow Christian has tried it with me (ES), I will step aside from a discussion where my input is poopooed. [MHG climbs back up onto the porch, to get out of the way while the big dogs run.]


141 posted on 07/11/2006 4:35:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
Didn't mean to chase you off. Some people think I may have ossified and grumpified a bit since coming onto these threads in 1999. OK, everybody thinks that. Screw 'em!
142 posted on 07/11/2006 4:49:28 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro

Maybe you're grumpy sometimes, Vade, but a man who likes the Three Stooges has a nice side, too! :-)


143 posted on 07/11/2006 5:05:16 PM PDT by puroresu
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To: puroresu
Let peace reign for a night, then. (I'm watching the All-Star Game.)

;)

144 posted on 07/11/2006 5:09:10 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro

Agreed! Have a great evening!


145 posted on 07/11/2006 5:11:39 PM PDT by puroresu
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To: VadeRetro

Sediment can only make sedimentary or conglomerate rock. Stop treating people that are beyond your level like fools. We've all got your number here; always pulling some kind of scam.


146 posted on 07/11/2006 7:11:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: editor-surveyor
Sediment can only make sedimentary or conglomerate rock. Stop treating people that are beyond your level like fools. We've all got your number here; always pulling some kind of scam.

Sorry, I have found that your "science" is simply not to be trusted. It seems to be a function of your religious belief, not your scientific investigations.

I once asked for documentation of your claims about a "global" flood, which you said was supported by some formations in the lower Central Valley of California or somewhere close. You never provided any documentation. (I have worked in that area, and I didn't find evidence of a large-scale, global-type, flood.)

All you seem to provide are short, often sarcastic, comments which seem to go against mainstream science, but which you don't -- or can't -- support. Until you can support your comments, how can I evaluate or trust any of them?

(Enjoy the sunrise--this one is from South Africa.)


147 posted on 07/11/2006 7:44:42 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman

What does a piddling little technician/gopher like you know about science?


148 posted on 07/11/2006 7:47:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: editor-surveyor
What does a piddling little technician/gopher like you know about science?

That's Dr. Gopher to you, son.


(For the lurkers: note that there was no response to the facts under discussion, just a personal attack.)

149 posted on 07/11/2006 7:51:59 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Amen


150 posted on 07/11/2006 7:52:46 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: RobRoy

As I read the article, the point is that the incredible complexity of the DNA molecule as well as the glories of nature suggest the "mind of god" at work. They do not. They are simple very complex and majestic. Believers will explain this complexity and majesty by postulating a God who is more complex and majestic than what they see before them, thus even harder to understand and explain.

I would be pleased to be shown otherwise, but I contend that there does not exist a single shred of evidence to support the existance of any supernatural God. The human mind obviously needs God, and the mind will hallucinate anything that it needs badly enough.

I am not hostile to God, nor to believers. I simply have not been convinced of his existance or of their rationality.


151 posted on 07/11/2006 8:34:12 PM PDT by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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To: Coyoteman
For the lurkers, note that there were no facts under discussion, just coyote's refusal to accept the obvious condition of the terrain of California's central valley that illustrates the stages under which the flood waters trapped in the valley were released.

This is typical of the kind of obstinate, opinionated tantrum that is constantly push off here as science by the lost, serpent-seed, God haters that are attempting to control the debate.

152 posted on 07/11/2006 9:11:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: editor-surveyor
This is typical of the kind of obstinate, opinionated tantrum that is constantly push off here as science by the lost, serpent-seed, God haters that are attempting to control the debate.

You really need to switch to Decaf, EdSurv.

153 posted on 07/11/2006 9:14:54 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: editor-surveyor
For the lurkers, note that there were no facts under discussion, just coyote's refusal to accept the obvious condition of the terrain of California's central valley that illustrates the stages under which the flood waters trapped in the valley were released.

Have you ever actually *been* to the Central Valley? Have you ever measured the bedding planes in the formations lining the western edge of the valley? Do you *seriously* believe they are flood deposits??

154 posted on 07/11/2006 9:17:45 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: betty boop

How timely! That is a marvelous excerpt. Thank you oh so very much!


155 posted on 07/11/2006 9:25:51 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: editor-surveyor
For the lurkers, note that there were no facts under discussion, just coyote's refusal to accept the obvious condition of the terrain of California's central valley that illustrates the stages under which the flood waters trapped in the valley were released.

This is typical of the kind of obstinate, opinionated tantrum that is constantly push off here as science by the lost, serpent-seed, God haters that are attempting to control the debate.

The date typically given for the global flood is ca. 2350 BC.

There are some very nice archaeological sites in the southern San Joaquin Valley (the Central Valley) that go back some 10,000+ years.

There is mtDNA evidence older than 2350 BC in the Central Valley which correlates with modern living descendants. No break for a flood and replacement by Noah's mtDNA.

You cite "the obvious condition of the terrain of California's central valley that illustrates the stages under which the flood waters trapped in the valley were released" but you don't provide any evidence!

Put up! I have evidence, where's yours?

156 posted on 07/11/2006 9:36:05 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Sediment can only make sedimentary or conglomerate rock.

I take it you're not a believer in that god-hating, soul-destroying, anti-American "Theory of Metamorphic Rocks"? I'm surprised the Discovery Institute isn't filing lawsuits against petrography classes.

157 posted on 07/11/2006 9:39:36 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: SirLinksalot

I agree -- all science does is help us understand the depth and breadth of God's power and wisdom and knowledge. Science should not consist of conjecture, purely imperial decisions.


158 posted on 07/11/2006 9:42:04 PM PDT by Cronos (Islam is on the rampage -- where will the next bombing be?)
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159 posted on 07/12/2006 7:17:41 AM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: SirLinksalot; editor-surveyor
His epiphany came when he went hiking through the Cascade Mountains in Washington state. He said: “It was a beautiful afternoon and suddenly the remarkable beauty of creation around me was so overwhelming, I felt, ‘I cannot resist this another moment’.”

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This is reminiscent of a number of accounts of those who over the ages have ceased "resisting" God. Their descriptions and this of the moment that they finally accepted God into their lives are very moving. The miracle of faith is indeed a beautiful thing.

Good article. I just emailed the link to my husband.

160 posted on 07/12/2006 7:21:09 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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