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Immigration key to Utah election
Washington Times ^ | 6/23/06 | Charles Hurt

Posted on 06/23/2006 3:40:49 AM PDT by Dane

PROVO, Utah -- Rep. Chris Cannon is a loyal Republican with the endorsement of the National Rifle Association and a 100 percent rating from the American Conservative Union. He is unmarred by the ethical scandals that have roiled Washington in this election season....

Tuesday's matchup in Utah is viewed as a bellwether for how immigration issues play out nationwide. "If you want to throw the bums out, you can do that," Mr. Cannon said during his debate with Mr. Jacob earlier this month. Responded Mr. Jacob: "When you talk about throwing the bums out, I'm just working on one right now."

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: aliens; baybuchanan; bryantgumbel; cannon; congress; danethread; disneyland; housemanager; immigrantlist; immigration; impeachmentmanager; jacob; johnfund; kilngons; mormonbashing; rushlimbaugh; sensenbrenner; startrek; tancredo; tribbles; ushouse; willardscott
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To: sinkspur
Single issue voters always do this. That is why libertarians nominate nut cases that turn themselves purple or green nominate space cadets like Ralph Nader. If they like what the hear on their main issue they stop right there and never question their candidate's stance or qualifications on anything else.
81 posted on 06/23/2006 7:32:45 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever
I'd like to see the context of the quote. I suspect he was joking. Maybe he was drunk (is he mormon?). It is a really stupid thing to say nevertheless, I admit.
82 posted on 06/23/2006 7:33:41 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

See post 80. He sounds very serious to me.


83 posted on 06/23/2006 7:34:26 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever
Jacob was also forced to tackle a rumor on gambling.

Mormons don't gamble, you know, except that Jacob did.

84 posted on 06/23/2006 7:37:24 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur
In that same article he admits that he has been lying about the percentage of Utah Inmates that are illegal aliens.
85 posted on 06/23/2006 7:40:14 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever
Seems to me like he was just venting some frustration with toungue in cheek. I have some perfectly sane and stable relatives who say stuff like that when they're frustrated. Hard to tell without actually being there when he said it, though.

It's still an incredibly stupid thing to do in front of reporters. If you need to vent, do it in front of priest or a shrink.

86 posted on 06/23/2006 7:41:24 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Texasforever
He's been saying 40%, when the number is actually 8%.

Lots of goofy stuff coming out about Jacob three days before the election.

87 posted on 06/23/2006 7:44:18 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur
Can't argue against someone on the merits, so you dig up minor dirt on his personal life. Typical.
88 posted on 06/23/2006 7:44:18 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: colorcountry

Post #47 thank you for the excellent comments clarifying Jacob's immigration stand.


89 posted on 06/23/2006 7:44:21 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: curiosity
You are really bending over backwards to defend this. I see nothing in that statement that is remotely tongue in cheek. It is now revealed that he had been saying that 40 % of Utah's inmate population are illegal aliens and now has admitted that only 8% of that population are immigrants both legal AND illegal. This guy is very dishonest.
90 posted on 06/23/2006 7:45:04 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

In reading your stuff above, I am now persuaded that your prediction that Cannon is probably a safe bet, is correct. Jacob clearly was and is a flawed vessel with which to send a message about immigration issues. I listened to the debate between Jacob and Cannon. Jacob was clearly second tier mentally. JMO.


91 posted on 06/23/2006 7:45:17 PM PDT by Torie
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To: sinkspur; Texasforever

You guys sure don't know Utah very well do you. This plays well to the LDS base....you better believe it.

I told you you don't understand Utah politics, but the more opposition you get from Satan...the more righteous you are. It's curious...I don't like the statement. But as the article said:

....but is unlikely to be a major issue for the conservative voters he is targeting.
"Given that, I don't think it's very likely to make a big splash among Republican primary voters, but certainly if he gets through to the general election it might come up again and he'd have to explain it more," Burbank said.
Jacob, who like Cannon is LDS, said he is not the only one who is being opposed by Beelzebub. He said both Cannon and Sen. Bob Bennett have lost millions of dollars since going to Congress, and he believes their adversity is rooted in the same dark origins.

Now GAMBLING!! That IS enough to sink him in the Third District.


92 posted on 06/23/2006 7:45:51 PM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: curiosity
Can't argue against someone on the merits, so you dig up minor dirt on his personal life. Typical.

I've argued on the merits. He can't even describe his own "FastPass" immigration plan, who it applies to, or how he would get everybody back over the border.

The guy is too green to be in Congress. He's just a millionaire who's bored and needs another challenge. A Perot type.

93 posted on 06/23/2006 7:46:21 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Texasforever

I don't think Jacob is much of a fact checker. In the debate, he plugged into urban legend stats that were clearly false. I think he just picks stuff up that is out there (maybe he or his incompentent campaign folks are internet surfers), and repeats it.


94 posted on 06/23/2006 7:47:37 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Texasforever
An error is not the same thing as a lie.
95 posted on 06/23/2006 7:48:08 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: colorcountry

Look, I sure as hell don't want a failed businessman in congress that blames his problems on the devil. He may be from Utah BUT he will cast votes on matters of national importance. We don't need a "devil made me do it" nutcase.


96 posted on 06/23/2006 7:49:14 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever
We don't need a "devil made me do it" nutcase.

We don't need an open-borders nutcase either.

97 posted on 06/23/2006 7:50:15 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

Oh for crying out loud, if he had called the prison system up he wouldn't have made an "error". He went with what he wanted to hear and got caught. A lot like what you are doing trying to rationalize this guy.


98 posted on 06/23/2006 7:50:53 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever
It is now revealed that he had been saying that 40 % of Utah's inmate population are illegal aliens and now has admitted that only 8% of that population are immigrants both legal AND illegal. This guy is very dishonest.

I see, so it's dishonest for someone to admit an error. Interesting logic.

99 posted on 06/23/2006 7:51:11 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
Fast pass is a stupid idea, I admit

Jacob merely acknowledges that sooner or later we're going to have to deal with the illegals who have been here since the 1970s and 80s who worked and played by the rules.

Certainly, we should look at this from a case-by-case basis and determine if they should indeed stay or not. But criticizing this as "amnesty," even though Jacob did a rather poor job of explaining his suggestion, is way over the top.

100 posted on 06/23/2006 7:52:01 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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