Posted on 06/23/2006 3:40:49 AM PDT by Dane
Hmmm, What? you don't even have a suggestion and you want to sit back a pick apart a "suggestion" and call it amnesty and use it as a weapon against this fine, viable candidate, when all Cannon is offering is complete amnesty. Do you see the holes in your logic.
As I have told you repeatedly, I'm neither endorsing nor criticizing Jacob's plan in our conversation. What I am objectively doing is labeling Jacob's plan as an amnesty.
Over, and over again Jacob has outlined the terms of compliance. 1 You must have lived here for an extended period of time (10 to 20 YEARS) 2 You must be able to show you have been a good citizen 3 No criminal history, paid taxes, gainfully employed 4 Comply with the terms of agreement by registering with the government and returning to your home country for reenty.
(My underline)
So what. As most would see illegal aliens who have been here 10 years or more would still get an unfair advantage. That is amnesty. Go ask Tom "The Godfather of anti-Illegal Immigration" Tancredo.
Arguably, it may be a good plan and arguably it may be a bad plan but with out a doubt there is an amnesty component to it.
You with your logic try to deny it. The holes in your logic (and Jacobs) are as porous as our border.
BTW, in your above punch-list, in Jacob's line item number #2, Jacob calls the illegal aliens "citizens".
LOLOL!
Too easy...
Jacob didn't call them citizens I did...and it was inaccurate I should have said good member of society. Are you satified.
Yes there is a component of amnesty, just like when you break the speed limit and you pay a fee...it is a plea of guilty in abeyance. It happens for misdemeanors each and every day in this the Greatest United States of America.
Go attack those politicians who have continued...and encouraged illegal immigration, and leave us well meaning but erroneous citizens alone. You accomplish nothing by impugning the candidate John Jacob or my misuse of the word "citizen" instead of member of society. At least put the blame where it lies...squarely on my shoulders for this particular slip of the tongue.
You missed an important component of this particular story. She was snuck in as a three year old child...and you want to punish her for that. I'd rather have her as a neighbor than someone with your outlook, but it isn't my right to decide is it...nor is it yours.
It is up to our lawmakers....so let us choose congressional representatives who are up to the challenge instead of those who do nothing in ten years to stop the flow of illegals into our country, then choose to grant them total, complete amnesty with absolutly no price paid.
It is up to the voters of the 3rd Congression District of Utah to send a message loud and clear. WE WILL NOT PUT UP WITH IT ANY LONGER!
Then your story her BS. If she was only three when she snuck in, and she's been paying a mortgage for 15 years, she must have come before 1986. That means she was eligible for the last amnesty and already has a green card. If she doesn't, she's lying to you about something.
THanks for posting that article.
Bob Lonsberry is 100 percent correct. The important thing is too defeat Open borders Cannon.
"Even now, President Bush is supporting Ted Kennedy legislation from the Senate that would grant eventual citizenship to some 10 million illegal aliens in the country today and open the doors to as many as 100 million more newcomers in the next 20 years. The Kennedy/Bush legislation would give those illegal aliens Social Security and welfare and the right to bring even shirttail relatives into the country to receive those same benefits. That’s what President Bush supports.
And President Bush supports Chris Cannon."
Exactly right.
Send them a message. I wish I could move to Utah just to vote against him.
Yep, she came in in the early 70's I believe, was too young to understand the ramifications of the '86 Reagan amesty and didn't take advantage of it.
Oh well...we just kick her back to Mexico...it's easy. We'll make her life a living hell and she'll go back on her own...LOL
Pardon my skepticism.
http://scriptures.lds.org/2_ne/2
10 And because of the intercession for all, all men come unto God; wherefore, they stand in the presence of him, to be judged of him according to the truth and holiness which is in him. Wherefore, the ends of the law which the Holy One hath given, unto the inflicting of the punishment which is affixed, which punishment that is affixed is in opposition to that of the happiness which is affixed, to answer the ends of the atonement—
11 For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things. If not so, my first-born in the wilderness, righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad. Wherefore, all things must needs be a compound in one; wherefore, if it should be one body it must needs remain as dead, having no life neither death, nor corruption nor incorruption, happiness nor misery, neither sense nor insensibility.
12 Wherefore, it must needs have been created for a thing of naught; wherefore there would have been no purpose in the end of its creation. Wherefore, this thing must needs destroy the wisdom of God and his eternal purposes, and also the power, and the mercy, and the justice of God.
13 And if ye shall say there is no law, ye shall also say there is no sin. If ye shall say there is no sin, ye shall also say there is no righteousness. And if there be no righteousness there be no happiness. And if there be no righteousness nor happiness there be no punishment nor misery. And if these things are not there is no God. And if there is no God we are not, neither the earth; for there could have been no creation of things, neither to act nor to be acted upon; wherefore, all things must have vanished away.
14 And now, my sons, I speak unto you these things for your profit and learning; for there is a God, and he hath created all things, both the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are, both things to act and things to be acted upon.
15 And to bring about his eternal purposes in the end of man, after he had created our first parents, and the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and in fine, all things which are created, it must needs be that there was an opposition; even the forbidden fruit in opposition to the tree of life; the one being sweet and the other bitter.
16 Wherefore, the Lord God gave unto man that he should act for himself. Wherefore, man could not act for himself save it should be that he was enticed by the one or the other.
17 And I, Lehi, according to the things which I have read, must needs suppose that an angel of God, according to that which is written, had fallen from heaven; wherefore, he became a devil, having sought that which was evil before God.
18 And because he had fallen from heaven, and had become miserable forever, he sought also the misery of all mankind. Wherefore, he said unto Eve, yea, even that old serpent, who is the devil, who is the father of all lies, wherefore he said: Partake of the forbidden fruit, and ye shall not die, but ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil.
19 And after Adam and Eve had partaken of the forbidden fruit they were driven out of the garden of Eden, to till the earth.
20 And they have brought forth children; yea, even the family of all the earth.
21 And the days of the children of men were prolonged, according to the will of God, that they might repent while in the flesh; wherefore, their state became a state of probation, and their time was lengthened, according to the commandments which the Lord God gave unto the children of men. For he gave commandment that all men must repent; for he showed unto all men that they were lost, because of the transgression of their parents.
22 And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end.
23 And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.
24 But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things.
25 Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.
26 And the Messiah cometh in the fulness of time, that he may redeem the children of men from the fall. And because that they are redeemed from the fall they have become free forever, knowing good from evil; to act for themselves and not to be acted upon, save it be by the punishment of the law at the great and last day, according to the commandments which God hath given.
27 Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.
28 And now, my sons, I would that ye should look to the great Mediator, and hearken unto his great commandments; and be faithful unto his words, and choose eternal life, according to the will of his Holy Spirit;
29 And not choose eternal death, according to the will of the flesh and the evil which is therein, which giveth the spirit of the devil power to captivate, to bring you down to hell, that he may reign over you in his own kingdom.
30 I have spoken these few words unto you all, my sons, in the last days of my probation; and I have chosen the good part, according to the words of the prophet. And I have none other object save it be the everlasting welfare of your souls. Amen.
For those in Utah, 3rd Congressional District who have not decided here is a reminder. This is from a person who lives in a state that has been destroyed by illegal immigration. Cannon wants you, the taxpayer, to pay for the illegal immigrants and their dependents who come to this country.Illegal immigrants are destroying your childrens future by taking resources that would pay for quality education and health care. Look at California and see the damage illegal immigrants has done to that state. You do not want your beautiful state to end up like California. Don't vote for a candidate who supports the "California experiment". Support the candidate who will put the brakes on illegal immigration.
And another one bites the dust.
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