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Michael Berg is a pacifist. Pacifists believe in peace but in practice enable evil because they believe ALL use for force is wrong. In their world view, its better to let a thousand innocents be murdered than to kill one Abu Musab Al Zarqawi for taking their lives. They believe their moral superiority is better than other people's imperfections. In their certitude, people like Michael Berg are a threat to every human being on the planet. Because they are idiots who would allow terrorists to kill us all without our being able to stop them. That in a nutshell, is what a pacifist program would do in the real world: it is in short, a program of unilateral disarmament in the face of evil. Those on the Left who support it live in moral darkness.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

1 posted on 06/12/2006 10:26:46 PM PDT by goldstategop
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How can a human being be glad that another human being is dead

Because he realizes that thousands of other human beings won't be butchered.

2 posted on 06/12/2006 10:31:14 PM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: devolve

Ping.


3 posted on 06/12/2006 10:33:54 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.


4 posted on 06/12/2006 10:36:45 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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Michael Berg is a pacifist an idiot.

There...that's more truthful.

6 posted on 06/12/2006 10:44:46 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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Berg is a mind-wiped tool of Democrat Socialist indoctrination. If you were able to get just a piece of him you'd be able to mix up a few hundred cups of Democrat-flavored fruit drink out of it. It gets really fun when they ask Rachel Corrie's parents over.

For the record - a pacifist is a person who never had to fight for their life or suffer atrocities committed on their loved ones. There's no way I could understand any "forgiveness" for the animals who killed their children no matter how convoluted.

7 posted on 06/12/2006 10:46:23 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Israeli-style security for our Southern border - all 1,950 miles of it)
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It probably takes a lot of education to counter natural urges and inclinations toward survival. Berg is not an aristocrat of the spirit who throws away his life for a noble principle, but a pauper, who's life is a meaningless shell. But then is it really? When he has the cameras pointing a him it seems that he, like Cindy, would kill for the attention.


8 posted on 06/12/2006 10:55:04 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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"Zarqawi felt my son's breath on his hand as held the knife against his throat. Zarqawi had to look in his eyes when he did it. George Bush sits there glassy-eyed in his office with pieces of paper and condemns people to death. That to me is a real terrorist." That is an amazing display of insanity....honestly, what f'n planet could someone like MB have come from? His own son's death on the internet, slow, staged, horrible all while shouting praise to some weird god...and he still gives zark the high ground!?!?!!
9 posted on 06/12/2006 10:59:26 PM PDT by gdc314
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"How can a human being be glad that another human being is dead?"

Simple, some peaple just need killin'!


10 posted on 06/12/2006 11:01:56 PM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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This berg is one sick man. The scary part is all the play the leftist MSM is giving him.


11 posted on 06/12/2006 11:03:41 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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Pacifists make my skin crawl.


14 posted on 06/12/2006 11:15:21 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Well, Watson, we seem to have fallen upon evil days.")
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If someone walked up to Michael Berg with a gun, club or knife and tried to kill him, would he resist or fight back to save his own life?

If he would fight to save his own life, why wouldn't he fight to save another life. If he won't fight to save his own life, that means that people are free to kill with impunity. Would he have no police?

Does he think that everyone will cheerfully obey all laws and behave perfectly nicely? What do you do with the ones that don't? How do you get them to STOP if they don't want to? Do you force them to stop killing, stealing, assaulting or do you just talk nicely and slowly to them to please stop? And if the nice words don't work?,......

Michael Berg is not connected to reality. He abets evil and violence by his refusal to do anything to stop it.

Can he distinguish between good and evil? Or is everything all the same to him? He can make no distinctions?

If some people didn't fight evil, there would be chaos, a total breakdown of society and life. You wouldn't be able to walk down the street, you'd have to fight every inch of your way.

All "liberals" and "pacifists" think words are reality. They think that talk is the solution to everything. That's why they're all "intellectuals" who produce nothing except words and more words. They never do a single lick of work that actually produces anything.
18 posted on 06/13/2006 12:00:21 AM PDT by garyhope
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"Here is one example: "Zarqawi felt my son's breath on his hand as held the knife against his throat. Zarqawi had to look in his eyes when he did it. George Bush sits there glassy-eyed in his office with pieces of paper and condemns people to death. That to me is a real terrorist."

Stone. Cold. Moonbat.

I hope Coulter covered this idiot in her book.


24 posted on 06/13/2006 12:50:27 AM PDT by Jezebelle
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I believe Berg sent his son to Iraq hoping something like the situation that actually occured would happen. His son had no business being there and was on his way to the airport to leave when he was captured. Berg's reaction from the start was strange, like he wanted a martyr to further his pacifist cause. The poor kid was bait for his father's twisted ideals.

Most every one that posts here would never stick their head on a knife knowing their children would follow them in death. That's why we are "prepared" (OK, armed to the teeth) to protect ourselves and those we love. When someone acts as unnatural as Michael Berg, you know something is rotten.


27 posted on 06/13/2006 1:07:28 AM PDT by alpo (Allright.... Who fatwa'd?)
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From the Vault:

The Berg Beheading- some links
various FR links | 05-12-04 | The Heavy Equipment Guy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133927/posts


30 posted on 06/13/2006 1:19:44 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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''a program of unilateral disarmament in the face of evil'' At work today two libs were blathering on about the three suicides at Gitmo . I asked them ,what they, would have done with them? One lib said if Bush wasn't going to give them a legal trial he should of just let them go. The other one said '' No ,we should've ''brought them to the table'' and incorporated them into the American society........ I was fuming by then and told them these terrorists believe that anybody that doesn't think the way they do should be eliminated. Don't you guys get that? All I got back from both of them was two blank stares. Then they just shrugged and walked away. ......... What is it with these people?!I'm beginning to believe these libs are truly brain damaged,either that, or they really don't believe there is any such thing as evil that exists in our world today!


31 posted on 06/13/2006 1:26:42 AM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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Excellent thread.

"Among its many moral and intellectual weaknesses, pacifism ensures that cruelty will prevail on earth. When asked by talk show host Michael Medved if he, Berg, would have killed Zarqawi as the terrorist was about to cut his son's throat, Berg said he would instead throw his body in front of the knife -- thereby ensuring, as Medved noted, that two innocent people would be murdered.

That is the consequence of pacifism -- far more cruelty and death. But the spread of evil apparently means little to pacifists. There must be some joy in feeling oneself so morally superior to those who believe that killing is sometimes morally necessary that even the ritual murder of one's son does not shake the pacifist's fanaticism."


34 posted on 06/13/2006 3:10:13 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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"A Lberal is a man too open-minded to take his own side in a quarrel." Robert Frost

"Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist." George Orwell


37 posted on 06/13/2006 5:17:06 AM PDT by Glock22
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The media is pushing propaganda. And they need to have a poster boy to sell their lies and spin.

They believe that they have found people who have dealt personally with tragedy and therefore are above criticism for anything they may say.

Only thing is they do NOT speak for all people who have dealt with these very same losses. Even with these families there is ideological split. Therefore the media is deliberately giving a biased and unbalanced view.


40 posted on 06/13/2006 5:55:41 AM PDT by weegee ("Hitler dead in bunker by own hand, war rages on")
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Michael Berg tried to draw an comparison between Zarqawi and President Bush on a number of programs last week.

Maybe someone has quotes of him saying that Bush was worse or even that it would've been a better day if Bush had perished instead of Zarqawi.

Berg was all over the media and so I can't remember exact quotes (I did listen to him for over 20 minutes on Michael Medved's radio show).

Michael Berg did not come across to me as a pacifist. He seemed like the sort who'd be happy with the death of the president.


41 posted on 06/13/2006 6:01:59 AM PDT by weegee ("Hitler dead in bunker by own hand, war rages on")
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42 posted on 06/13/2006 6:20:24 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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