Posted on 05/31/2006 6:20:21 AM PDT by Coop
... Snow said that he has been assured by the Pentagon that "all the details" will be made available...
Rep. John Murtha... has said Marines shot and killed unarmed civilians in a taxi at the scene and went into two homes and shot others.
On Tuesday, [Snow] said President Bush learned of the killings only after a reporter from Time magazine asked questions...
Asked when Bush was first briefed about the events in Haditha, an insurgent stronghold in western Iraq, Snow replied Tuesday: "When a Time reporter first made the call."
According to the attorney for one of three Marine Corps officers relieved of command from a Marine battalion are not targets of investigations into whether their troops killed the civilians or tried to cover it up.
Meanwhile, Lance Cpl. James Crossan of North Bend, Wash., who was injured in the roadside bomb attack in Haditha, told a Seattle television station that some of the Marines might have snapped after seeing one of their own killed in action.
"So, I think they were just blinded by hate ... and they just lost control," Crossan told KING-TV, which aired the interview Tuesday.
The targets... are about a dozen enlisted Marines, according to Hackett, a Marine reservist and Iraqi war veteran who represents Kimber... [Hackett] said the highest ranking among those under investigation is a staff sergeant who led the four-vehicle convoy that was hit by the bomb.
Kimber... was relieved of command last month because his subordinates... used profanity and criticized the performance of Iraqi security services during an interview with Britain's Sky News TV...
...Hackett told The Associated Press by telephone. "He's not under investigation for anything related to what has played out in the press." [snip]
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Johnnie, take it from one who knows.
Alcohol is not your friend.
Like diplomats, they preen.
Thank god the real men are on the battlefield, and the whiners remain at the keyboard.
"Remember, someone else posted here that the reason the Marine's story is doubted is that the dead had gunshot wounds, NOT shrapnel"
That is not the way I read the story. I read it, that the dead, died of gunshot wounds, not shrapnel wounds. I did not read that the dead had no shrapnel wounds.
To: DevSix The reality is this young girl knew an IED was planted. Her family was aware this was planted ...and in Haditha, with this being a LOS IED...her family was likely supporting those insurgents who detonated it.
(Sinkspur) Where are you getting this? Just making stuff up?
185 posted on 05/31/2006 10:40:26 AM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
Now as for you lugsoul, whatever you are, or whatever you think you are, you mess with this lady freema, you mess with me.
She'll take care of you on her own, and this is the last I'll say to you.Good men watch her 6.
Yes. And he continued to lie about what I posted (and even about what I didn't post) throughout the thread.
Johnnie, the thread is dead. Give it up. Go to bed. There's nobody left to argue with.
"Assuming that part of the story is true, and they did exist, and did die in the way it is claimed they died."
Get rid of your "Assuming", then get rid of your "and". What do you have left now?
I'm still here : )
You and lugsoul haven't had any trouble calling the Marines a bunch of liars so I'm not surprised you called Coop a liar behind his back.
Thanks for the ping!
Btt
Pat,
First I want to thank you for you blog, and the link to your blog in an earlier post.
After reading your blog on this, there is one thing I had a question about, that you, surprisingly, did not address.
The 9 year old girl, while being rescued by an Iraqi, asked why her grandparents were killed. The way she phrased that implied that she thought, either that the person rescuing her, or someone who wore the same uniform had done the killing of her grandparents. The Iraqi who was taking her to safety said the "Americans" killed them. Some time after that, the girl accused the "Americans" of this event that we are discussing.
Did that girl originally believe that the Iraqi who rescued her was the person that killed her grandparents? Did she believe that someone who wore the same uniform as the Iraqi had killed her grandparents?
Just thought I would ask this.
Video on lower right hand side of the screen. Called "Haditha Uncovered. Go watch it.
Ok self styled "experts". Since some of you are posting as "KNOWING " what happened in Haditha, how can these three facts be logically reconciled with what the Iraqis, and you supposed Freepers, are accusing the Marines of doing?
According to published reports, a number of Marines from the storied 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division are accused killing more than 20 Iraqi civilians in retaliation for the death of one of their comrades by a roadside bomb in November, 2005.
Okie, 20 Dead Civilians. Which you some of you are running around this Website telling us were all shot to death at short range in a building that had not been penetrated by any rounds from outside. In other words shot to death inside the building as a deliberate act not an accident of war. In fact, PH claims a shrapnel wound is so obviously different that a Combat Infantry Marine would know the difference between the two.
Leave aside the obviously question why would a Infantry Marine would be examining the wounds of dead Civilians which is not part of his job, lets assume, that is correct. Ok, then how come your "Witnesses" as interviewed for CNN by the "Iraqi Civil Rights group" are making such obviously absurd claims on the video? "They burned the room with my father in it then threw a bomb"? Neat trick that. How they "Burn the room"? We don't use flame throwers. "Threw a bomb" but you are telling us it all gun shot wounds. "a Bomb" inflict shrapnel wounds.
Notice also the mannerism of the "children survivors". Having come thru what would of been the most terrifying event of their lives and being forced to talk about it again, yet the kids show no hesitation or emotion. Just a dull recital of supposed "Facts" as if they were reciting a story as an memorization assignment in School. Very strange that. Absolutely no real emotion, just a breathless recital of "Facts" Then when done speaking look over to the person standing to the right of the camera (You can see his shadow behind the kids). Sure looks like kids looking at a teacher to see how they did in reciting their "lesson"
Then there is the part where the "Iraqi Civil Rights Group" filming the kids told the Iraqi boy to "show his wounds". It must not of occurred to the "Iraqi Civil Rights Group" making the video to consider the Iraqi boy's supposed "wound". Apparently no one bothered to think about where he was "shot". The supposed "wound" supposedly inflicted by US Marines at point blank range, (as claimed by the "Iraqi Civil Rights Group)" is directly over his spine. Yet when told he got up and turned around for the camera to "Show his wounds"?
If he HAD been shot there, he would be crippled for life, his spine severed just below the neck. So your "Iraqi Civil Rights Group" are shown to be liars. Since they lied about this, what ELSE might they have lied about? So want to try and explain these inconsistencies in your "witnesses" testimony? Wanna maybe rethink your position now that you know ALL your "facts" are based on the claims of an "Iraqi Civil Rights Group" that is prove to be liars?
This is not looking good for the media and Murtha, unless there were autopsies done.
There are pictures taken by the Marine who was part of the 'clean-up' crew (to pick up the bodies) who were sent in very shortly after this happened. There also could be bullets which could be retrieved fro the walls.
I agree with you autopsies would be much more definitive in determining whether the people were shot by the Marines or by others since they could test the guns and the bullets to see if there was a match. Not having seen the pictures but going off of what's been reported about the child being held in his Mom's lap, I just don't see how shrapnel could have killed all 24 of them. If shrapnel was the culprit and based upon everything I've ever read about people killed/wounded by shrapnel, there would have been some survivors who would have sustained shrapnel wounds.
I would like to see autopsies performed to determine whether the bullets used were those of weapons used by the Marines or whether they might have been shot by the enemy as a set-up.
I'll wait though until the report is finished before I lean either way. Murtha has no business opening his mouth and condemning our Marines until the report is final and/or the Marines if guilty, have been convicted. I'd like to know who appointed him judge, jury and executioner.
This is war.
What happened, happened.
Stop treating war as a crime scene.[/Quote]
I was just thinking this on memorial day as I was reading eyewitness transcripts from survivors of Okinawa 1945, the entire conflict was an atrocity by todays standards. Not sure if it is a proper analogy comparing WWII to Iraq.
I am begining to wonder if a war can be won by a legitimate army in todays world without overwhelming media support......
Are you sure Micheal Moore wasn't there providing the script?
I fhe were- then we can all just breath easy and know that this is pure truthful documentary....ya know!
seriously- thanks for posting this.. great points.. we have got realize that we may think these people are centuries behind us-- third world- whatever- but the truth is.. these people know the art of media manipulation.. and our media is MORE than willing to help them in any way possible....
If the civilians weren't innocent, there's every reason to shoot them. If they were innocent, there's every reason to suspect they weren't innocent or they wouldn't have been there.
You apparently learned nothing from Fallujah.
Unfortunately, autopsies to check the bullets won't give anything definitive as weapons were taken in an ambush where Marines were killed a few months before.
The mental state of someone constantly exposed to covert aggression in a combat zone is not at all similar to that of someone walking down a metro city street expecting to get mugged.
While I agree with this statement, this in no way excuses the actions if true (and that's a very large "if").
We expect our soliders to be professionals. We need them not to lose their heads. If they can't keep their wits about them in combat, then they won't live very long.
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