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The White House low-balled the Senate amnesty bill's numbers to make it appear the impact of the demographic, political, economic and legal changes it would produce in overall immigration numbers are not as sweeping as projected when the bill's various provisions are taken to their ultimate conclusion. The Heritage Foundation's Robert Rector here disputes this and takes the opportunity to set the record straight. Amnesty is going to change our society profoundly and its a shame the Senate never spent time debating the size of the impact cumulative increased (both legal and illegal) immigration would have upon this country's character and future.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

1 posted on 05/30/2006 1:39:21 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
I think these numbers being debate are sort of a secondary concern. I'd be interested in what people thought about: Amensty From Government
2 posted on 05/30/2006 1:46:32 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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To: goldstategop
likely would result in 103 million immigrants obtaining legal status or entering in the U.S. legally over the next twenty years.



In my opinion this 103 million figure is grossly exaggerated. There's no way over 5 million would be allowed to enter legally each year. For one they wouldn't have the man-power to handle all the paperwork.
3 posted on 05/30/2006 1:50:21 AM PDT by AmeriBrit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION, IT INCLUDES TERRORIST SLEEPER CELLS!!)
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To: goldstategop
Ping
5 posted on 05/30/2006 1:54:48 AM PDT by garbageseeker (Audaces Fortuna Ivat-Fortune Favors the Brave/Virgil)
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To: goldstategop

Heh! Think anyone will catch the part about the "formal surrender to Mexico?" Nice touch there, Bill...

7 posted on 05/30/2006 1:58:54 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: goldstategop; All
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9 posted on 05/30/2006 2:14:02 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: goldstategop
OK, let's get real here. Implementing this new "program" (that's what it is) will require the government to put new software, systems, personnel and procedures in place. You're looking at a window of two to four years before that can even begin to be functional (and let's face it folks, the government is anything but functional). In the meantime, another 2 million illegals will have come here, at current rates.

And you know damn good and well that this "virtual fence" thing is bu!!$h!t. They'll have that figured out within two months of its completion, and be coming on past it. By the time everyone figures out that this whole boondoggle succeeded as well as everything else the government has ever done, it will be another 10 or 20 years down the road, and we'll have even MORE illegals here, and even MORE gutless weasel politicians facing an even bigger problem that they can't and won't solve.

Build the wall. Build it tall, deep, wide, and strong. Put real sanctions on employers, and enforce them, and your're done. Otherwise, kiss America as we know it goodbye.

13 posted on 05/30/2006 3:11:49 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: The Drowning Witch

Mexican invasion ping.


15 posted on 05/30/2006 3:19:05 AM PDT by Jackknife ( "It's not a real party 'til somebody breaks something.")
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To: goldstategop

With regard to the White House's numbers. "Figures don't lie, but liars can figure."


16 posted on 05/30/2006 3:49:33 AM PDT by NavVet (O)
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To: goldstategop

If we had 100 million new immigrants, Mexico would be an absolute ghost country. Sometimes people check their logic at the door when they play with numbers.


17 posted on 05/30/2006 4:04:00 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: goldstategop
The White House low-balled the Senate amnesty bill's numbers

This WH has a reputation of doing that kind of thing.

Remember with the Prescription Drug Bill the same thing happened. Initially, the estimated costs were in the range of $350 million. Right after (within days) of its passage, that figure was revised upward to around $550 million. A few months later, a new figure emerged that placed the cost at around $750 million.

Remember that the Iraqi oil was supposed to pay for the Iraqi War and rebuilding. Too, the original US cost figure was in the range of $80 billion (IIRC). Yet each year more and more billions of dollars are funded by Congress, far surpassing that original $80 billion amount.
19 posted on 05/30/2006 4:25:16 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: goldstategop

22 posted on 05/30/2006 4:40:19 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: goldstategop

How about this...?

No amnesty (or path to citizenship, if you can't be truthful with your speech).

Period.

Then we don't have to worry about the numbers at all.


25 posted on 05/30/2006 4:52:14 AM PDT by WayneM (Cut the KRAP (Kare Rove Amnesty Plan))
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To: goldstategop

So the White House lied about the CBO numbers. Any fool knows there would be more than 8 million after 10 years even using their numbers, since it is much more likely that there are at least 20 million illegals here instead of the msm number of 11-12 million. In 1986, after the amnesty bill was passed we learned that Congress had lied about the numbers involved when three times as many illegals showed up for amnesty than predicted. Why would today's results be any different? The Immigration Service is in even worse shape today than in 1986, so their estimates are totally worthless.


26 posted on 05/30/2006 4:52:34 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: goldstategop
Hopefully the House won't become emasculated and these numbers will be thrown in the trash.
27 posted on 05/30/2006 4:57:26 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: goldstategop
The CBO figure of eight million immigrants promoted by the White House differed from the Heritage estimate because the figure:

was limited to 10 years rather than 20 years; excluded immigration allowed under current law; and excluded illegal immigrants currently residing in the U.S. who would receive legal permanent residence due to S.2611.

That pretty much says it all about the integrity of this administration WRT to this particular issue. Shame on them for this.

31 posted on 05/30/2006 5:13:17 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: gubamyster

ping


32 posted on 05/30/2006 5:15:15 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: goldstategop
The Senate Bill is a total clusterf^ck!


38 posted on 05/30/2006 7:05:55 AM PDT by Gritty (Amnesty will change us from being a neighbor of Latin America to becoming a part of it-Diana West)
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To: goldstategop

From NationalLedger.com

Commentary
Bush: ‘Read My Lips – No New Amnesty’
By Nicholas Stix
May 29, 2006

When George Herbert Walker Bush was the Republican presidential nominee for the first time, in 1988, he told the Republican National Convention, “Read my lips: No new taxes.” It became his most effective campaign slogan, and one of the keys to his electoral victory.

But Bush the Elder ultimately raised taxes. In 1992, his base responded variously by staying at home or by voting for third-party candidate Ross Perot, thus bringing brought about the election of Bill Clinton.

Immigrants are Our Future

Bush the Younger fancies himself much smarter than his father. Thus, he did not announce, during either of his presidential campaigns, his plan to grant an amnesty to what now amounts to – according to pro-illegal immigration Bear Stearns economists Robert Justich and Betty Ng – over 20 million illegal immigrants plus their parents plus their children plus their siblings plus anyone who will pay them to say they are blood relatives, much less his plan to bring in, according to an analysis by Sen. Jeff Sessions’ (R, AL) staff, another 200 million legal immigrants over the next 20 years, or to mention the tidal wave of new illegal immigration (another 100 million?) this amnesty would bring about. He knew it would cost him the election, if he did. And so, he bided his time.

Well, George W. Bush still isn’t taking any chances, and so when he finally announced his amnesty plan, he did the equivalent of saying, ‘Read my lips: No new amnesty.’ (“What I have just described is not amnesty.”) He figures that if he lies enough about his planned amnesty, people won’t figure it out until it’s too late. “Too late” means after the coming fall elections. And to sweeten the pot for his social and religious conservative base (or as Karl Rove would call it, "the suckers"), he will propose a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

This is all a word game. Bush is simply calling amnesty by other names: “temporary worker program,” “rational middle ground,” etc. He insists that he seeks amnesty, er, rational middle ground only for veteran criminals, but not for rookies.

“That middle ground recognizes that there are differences between an illegal immigrant who crossed the border recently and someone who has worked here for many years, and has a home, a family, and an otherwise clean record.”

And yet, as Bush well knows, under the Treason Plan (known variously as the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act and as S. 2611) he champions and the Senate passed, 62-36, on Thursday, we will end up with amnestied, naturalized, “temporary workers”; amnestied, naturalized, recently arrived illegals; and amnestied, naturalized, long-term illegals. But for treason and democide to prevail, the House must pass its own version. Thus, there is still hope for America.

That Burning Sensation

The man who for years portrayed himself as a straight talker, is peeing on our leg, and telling us that it’s raining.

I voted for George W. Bush in 2000, and again in 2004. As the saying goes, “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”

I suppose President Bush can tell himself that his proposal isn’t really an illegal immigration “amnesty,” because along with immigration law and America’s borders, he is eliminating the very concept of American citizenship. No legal citizens, no illegal immigrants.

The President says he is sending 6,000 National Guardsmen to the Mexican border, but is sending them unarmed, and in fact, not stationing them on the border at all, but in offices, where they will do “paper work.”

But that’s just a stopgap. Mr. Bush’s plan is, by the end of 2008, for the 6,000 do-nothing National Guardsmen to be replaced by 6,000 new, do-nothing Border Patrol agents. That’s over $400 million of nothing per year, courtesy of the American taxpayer.

If Citizens Didn’t Exist, We’d Have to Invent Them

And yet, the ruling elites will still need something to distinguish themselves from the rest of those whose pockets they’re busy picking. And so, there will still be illegal immigration in-between serial amnesties that will occur every few years, because the elites will demand ever cheaper baby sitters, gardeners, cooks, cleaning ladies, dog walkers, car washers, etc. The elites’ll show how morally superior they are to us paupers who can’t afford illegal servants, by periodically demanding amnesty for their servants. This will also endear them to the servants. Then, as soon as the newest mass amnesty goes through, they’ll fire their newly legalized servants, and replace them for even less with new illegals. (‘I’m sorry, Maria, but I just can’t afford you anymore.’)

Soy Un Yahoo

Neocon godfatherette William Kristol has his own word for commoners: “Yahoos.”

Echoing the Liar-in-Chief, and apparently cognizant that consistency is one of the three laws of lying; Kristol denies that the Bush amnesty plan is, in fact, an amnesty plan. Unfortunately, however, like President Bush, Bill Kristol seems unaware of the first law of lying: Plausibility.

At this rate, George W. Bush’s greatest political achievement will obtain in having rescued Bill Clinton from historical infamy. The Clintons’ reign of crime looks better with each passing day.

Taps?

On Memorial Day, in honoring our war dead from the Revolutionary War unto the War on Terror, we say “Lest we forget.” At Gettysburg, Abraham Lincoln exhorted, “that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain.”

In the new dispensation according to George W. Bush, however, those men did die in vain. Bush fully intends to surrender our patrimony.

If the House goes along with the Senate and the People permit it, this Memorial Day will prove to have been a time to grieve for America itself.

The new Bush plan is the ultimate in taxation without representation. It is revolutionary in its provocation and in its consequences. Perhaps we should stop calling the plan’s patron President Bush, and instead start calling him King George.

We the People survived a civil war, but can we survive George W. Bush?


40 posted on 05/30/2006 7:14:34 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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ping


46 posted on 05/30/2006 11:14:07 AM PDT by gubamyster
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