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What's better for conservatives: A GOP win in November? Or a loss?
Townhall.com/blogs ^ | 18 May 2006 | Tim Chapman

Posted on 05/17/2006 10:22:24 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

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To: Aussie Dasher

Man, if there was ever a bait thread, this is it.


41 posted on 05/17/2006 11:14:23 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Aussie Dasher

Here's a plan: Imagine the 2008 republican candidate coming out with a new "Contract for America". Signed by all the republican incumbents and wanna-be's it would promise not only lots of little things that conservatives want but would promise big things like a balanced budget amendment that winds down government spending after forcing a balance if they get 2/3 's of both houses (or even term limits! ). With the presidential candidate himself pushing the contract himself victory would gave him a genuine mandate to make that contract into law.


42 posted on 05/17/2006 11:17:41 PM PDT by Nateman (Socialism and cancer are nearly the same thing.)
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To: Junior_G

A bait thread it may be, but I'm thrilled with the reponses! :)


43 posted on 05/17/2006 11:18:20 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
I'd keep the House and toss the Senate to the Democrats.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

44 posted on 05/17/2006 11:18:42 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Texasforever
so did i----is that a negative thing? I admit, I lurked here for a long time before I ever got up the nerve to post anything. Sorry, but I don't know the significance of signing up in 2004.
45 posted on 05/17/2006 11:19:37 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: Aussie Dasher
Yesterday, RSC Chairman Mike Pence speaking to a group of bloggers reinforced this point. Pence, no tool of leadership, told the group that the loss of the House would be "disastrous." Pence just returned from an overseas trip and he noted that a Democrat victory would "send a deafening message to the capitals of the world about our commitment in Iraq."

The answer is in the article, which I show above.

Each of us have three representatives. One House; two Senators. We vote house every two years, one Senator comes up 2/3 of the time.

Use those votes (and money if you can) to help the most conservative candidate that has a chance of winning. Primaries are the time to replace unsatisfactory Republicans, if possible.

But holding the majority is powerful, even at the expense of having some so called rinos (I don't like the terminology, because it so abused).

Holding the majority means committee chairmanships. That in turn controls the legislative agenda.

As bad as Specter is regarded, he DID help get Roberts and Alito confirmed. A dem chairman could have EASILY blocked same. Would have.

That is just one example.

46 posted on 05/17/2006 11:21:40 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Aussie Dasher

A gridlocked Congress would be nice. :)

It appears the only thing we can do these days is try to outgrow (economically) the taxes the politicians place on us and innovate faster than they can regulate the new technology.

I'll work as hard as the next person to elect conservative/libertarians, but not 'repulicans' who are not conservative/libertarains.


47 posted on 05/17/2006 11:21:52 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: Aussie Dasher

The obvious answer is to vote for the best Republicans you can, starting in the primaries. If that means a RINO ends up being your state's candidate in November, so be it. Not voting is the same thing as surrender, and voting for a third party is always an exercise in futility. Short of a major split in one of the two established parties, a HIGHLY risky undertaking from the standpoint of retaining power, third parties cannot win.

Really, it's all about political power and doing whatever gives you the best chance of getting what you want. Get what you can when you can--that's the name of the game.

Be aware some FReepers are little more than shills for the Libertarian or Constitution parties. They not only want the Republicans divided, in their own self interest, they encourage it! The same thing goes from DUmmies. No doubt some are here trying to sow dissension in Republican ranks.

To be fair, no party, platform, or policy is either all good or all bad. However, Republicans are clearly the best of the two viable parties, and Republicans also stand as the best chance we conservatives have of getting what we want. Would you rather have the Dems calling all the shots? I hope not.


48 posted on 05/17/2006 11:24:29 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: SAJ

'When Republicans run as conservatives, they win.'
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Yea, but political advisors don't like this idea, after all, if its true, than what's the use for them? :)


49 posted on 05/17/2006 11:24:47 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: Aussie Dasher

If your incumbent is a RINO, & the challenger is a "Libertarian" Democrat; it a tough question!

Throw "local/tiny" issue question E-Mails at both candidates. See which repies Honestly & promptly.

"All Politics is Local".

Following is my "Pet Issue"...

Metal Theft is approaching Pandemic levels. Cemeteries, Parks, Playgrounds, & College Stadiums; as well as Home Owners are victims. Industries, like our Power Company, are under attack.

Folks return home to find their Aluminum Siding & Copper Plumbing gone. Bronze is vanishing from graveyards. Aluminum playground equipment vanishes from parks & daycares.

Neither “Party “ notices. It is off their Radar.

Yet, a partial solution is Obvious! Make Scrap Yards & Recycle Centers, ETC. live by the same standard as Pawn Shops do.

Get ID, keep records. Describe or keep a digital photo of each load & unique item. Don’t let Them pay in CASH, or by a check written to “Cash”. They should Inform the IRS, about “Big Sellers” & “regulars”. If that stuff is Stolen, that transaction was pure “Taxable Income” for the Thieves.

It has been roughly 75 years since a few Congressmen wised up & forced Pawn Shops to keep “Real Records “ usable by Law Enforcement and the IRS.

Isn’t it time to make the “Scrap Metal Buyers” behave to the same Standard?


50 posted on 05/17/2006 11:24:49 PM PDT by PizzaDriver (an heinleinian/libertarian)
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To: zbigreddogz
You most certainly can win, long-term, by losing occasionally. Consider my business, which is trading.

If you try to win on EVERY trade, wheeling and dealing within the context of the trade established, you WILL lose, ultimately. Trading costs, plus the costs of decisions made under duress, will ultimately make you a loser.

The successful trader cuts his losses when a trade is going badly, by exiting the losing trade. Politics, to my observation, is nothing other than a longish-term trading game.

In short, sometimes the nation MUST cut its losses, put the bloody Marxists in power, and then purge them utterly when (roughly a year's time, I should think; 6 months' time in the case of either Hitlery or Gork) their abuses become sufficiently egregious.

This metaphor is not unlimited, however. We can trade in mkts with a simple phone call or 'Net connection.

Restoring the Republic will unfortunately cost quite a lot of blood, and won't occur until such time as rather more than a quarter of the citizens simply won't stand for the exponentially increasing levels of gov't duress.

As always, we will see what happens with the 'governance' of the United States. And, likely, regret the developments.

51 posted on 05/17/2006 11:26:02 PM PDT by SAJ (b)
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To: truth_seeker
That is just one example.

And a very good example it is, thanks for the post.

52 posted on 05/17/2006 11:26:07 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: singfreedom
Sorry, but I don't know the significance of signing up in 2004.

According to some around here, if you signed up in 1998, 1999, 2004, 2005 or 2006, you are very likely a troll. If you signed up in 1997 you're probably ok; and there is apparently something magical about the years 2000 through 2003 as well.

53 posted on 05/17/2006 11:27:47 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Aussie Dasher
Remember that a Democrat-controlled Congress is also likely to be getting astonishingly glowing press coverage. You know that roaring economy? You’ll start hearing about it, and it will all be credited to the Pelosi-Reid Economic Stimulus Bill passed in January 2007.

This point right here should settle the matter once and for all.

-PJ

54 posted on 05/17/2006 11:28:52 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: traviskicks
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I somehow don't recall Washington, Madison, Jackson, Cleveland, and Coolidge (my favourite five 'great' Presidents) relying on political/media advisors.

I have a rather enjoyable fantasy notion about what Andrew Jackson would have done with the likes of Dick Morris or Donna Brazile.

:^)

55 posted on 05/17/2006 11:30:09 PM PDT by SAJ (b)
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To: marron

marron wrote: "Electing more Democrats doesn't get you any closer to your supermajority."

Well said. The simple fact is, conservatives are NOT the majority in power right now. Bush was always more moderate than conservative, and the Senate is presently controlled by a moderate Republican and liberal/moderate Democrap coalition.

Before I get flamed for calling Bush a moderate, just remember he's always said he's a uniter, not a divider. You don't unite the Demorats and Republicans by sitting on the right, you unite them by riding the middle. That's what Bush has done and is doing on several (not all) issues, and he's been quite open about it all along.


56 posted on 05/17/2006 11:31:42 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: marron
You are exactly right. We have a much better chance of influencing even "weak sister" Republicans than we would EVER have of influencing a Democrat. If Democrats win, we could kiss any thought of influencing them goodbye.

If we keep hammering them with "reason" and occasional threats, we can usually get what we want.
57 posted on 05/17/2006 11:32:17 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: singfreedom

singfreedom wrote: "I really do want Arlen Specter gone, though."

I'll second that!


58 posted on 05/17/2006 11:34:15 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: goldstategop

Even though the Senate is the body that votes on judicial nominees??


59 posted on 05/17/2006 11:36:22 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: PizzaDriver

I have never seen such a fantastic creature as a "libertarian Democrat". Tell me, on what planet do they exist?


60 posted on 05/17/2006 11:41:01 PM PDT by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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