Posted on 05/06/2006 9:51:50 AM PDT by Sonora
Current poll:
"A time for choosing: It appears that a significant number of our members are so disgusted with the GOP's failure to secure our borders against illegal aliens that they are willing to risk all by voting them out of office, even if it means Pelosi, Reid, Hillary, et al, are allowed to take charge. Is this the best course of action or should we be working harder than ever to hold the line and actually try to make a difference by getting more constitutionally-minded conservatives elected? Are you willing to give it all up or are you more determined than ever to keep the Marxists out of power?" _____
So far, 13% of members and 18%+ of participants in this poll say - turn it over to the rats. What's with that? I cannot believe that 13% of those posting here are so stupid or angry with what is happening that they would turn to the rats for the way back to perfect. Now, 13% will result in a winning vote, in a lot of cases.
Anyway, I guess that there is no compromising for some people - just dig a hole and live there while the rats are in charge. I'm so disappointed.
And I did as well. It seems that FR wishes to continue to trail behind the debate over illegal immigration and border security, instead of leading it.
The answer here is stone simple - implement border security and hold off changing immigration laws until we have better border security. Even folks who are in favor of amnesty, such as Krauthammer, have said that. Why is it so hard for folks to realize that ANY effort to deal with the illegals already here will be doomed to failure until we control our borders? Why does Bush and certain elements of the GOP seek to continue down the path to political destruction by ignoring the obvious?
Good points, dirtboy - but, why is it that they do ignore the obvious?
I wonder what would be lost, politically, if a wall did go up? It would save a lot of lives and bring order to chaos.
Republican victory often seems, IMHO, not to depend upon Republicans, but upon 'crossover' Democrats who are conservatives ... but still not Republicans. Call'em what you will, 'Reagan Democrats,' 'Bluebelly Democrats,' or as I do, 'true, but slightly misguided, Americans.'
These folks, as has been noted here, are not crossing over to vote for Democrat party ideas. But, BUTT, the brains of the RNC (an oxymoron used to describe the country-club-clymers who run the show) think that the GOP has to look like the Democrats to attract them.
Reminds me of the Roman Catholic Church in America, which came up with the gol-durndest, silliest sort of bland and content-free, nasal-whining-music church services, thinking, "Wow, this will surely bring in those thoroughly-modern-Millies out there!"
All it did was reduce the RCC to a semi-disgusted hard core, and drive others into the more: "Catholic" services of the Episcoplians.
I will vote for the conservative,
whether he is a
Democrat, Republican, or Independent.
The most obnoxious RINO on Earth is not going to approve the left-wing appointments the most conservative Democrat or Independent might support.
The appointed people, Judges especially, have far more power to screw up your life and the country than any Federal or State elected official will ever have.
Need an example? Look at the 30 years of havoc caused by Jimmy Carter Jerk Judges. Look at the destruction of the CIA and FBI. You think a Valerie Plame, Sandy Berger, or any number of lingering scum-moles are going to be appointed by any Republican ... even one you perceive as a bad one?
Add to that the desire to expand their territory (hence the EU-style integration of the continent that so many of them are quietly in favor of) and the general back-door, off-camera congeniality that exists between most Democrat and Republican politicians, and the real wonder is that things have not degenerated further than they have.
I'll be back later on this afternoon or evening to explain what I am saying {again}. Got to go to a doctors appointment. I will say this before I go though I have seen RINO's screw things up well beyond what a self proclaimed liberal did. Actually the Liberal was far more conservative. I'll explain it later. But most of it is FR history under the Tennessee State Income Tax revolt and a RINO governor.
It is the Republicans who are risking all.
"..working harder..to hold the line.."
Sounds just like the union thugs trying to intimidate the rank and file.
"..and actually try to make a difference.."
Some of us have been trying to make a difference for many years, only to be shown the door by the Republicans.
"Are you willing to give it all up..?"
Well, I certainly am not going to give up my right to vote!
"..turn to the rats for the way back to perfect."
No conservative posting here would ever presume the democrats could lead us back to perfect, so your assertion there is simply BS. Why try to BS us?
Well, provided he doesn't pull a Jeffords...
Encourage the House GOP to hold the line on border security and tell Arlen Specter, John McCain and President Bush to get in line with the House GOP.
If that option had been present, IMO it would have received a strong majority.
Let me show you something I have kept in my computer since 1999. Just a paragraph.
Re-elected to a second term last year with a record 69 percent of the vote, Governor Sundquist has initiated unprecedented reforms in Tennessee in the areas of welfare, government and crime, while placing a special emphasis on Tennessee children. Under his watch, the growth of government spending has been cut by more than half; the number of employable adults on welfare has been reduced by 60 percent; and Tennessee became the first state in the nation to connect every public school and library to the Internet and to offer universal health care coverage to all children.
Ok was that a DEM agenda or a GOP governors agenda? And who would say such nonsense? Who would praise such a governor and why? Even go as far as to say lie and say that man cut spending? The answer was in the paragraph before it in the first two sentences shown below.
"Governor Sundquist is a valued colleague and a good, close friend, and I am honored to have his support" said Governor Bush. "Don is devoted to welfare reform and better education for the people of Tennessee.
Yes GW Bush said it. Sundquist was the second worst governor in the history of the state second only to a man who sold clemency for cash among other things. His actions like trying to establish a state income tax were also endorsed by none other than Former governor and now senator Lamar Alexander. You see Sundquist was tern limited out. This was after several attempts at a state income tax, corruption in the states so called Universal Health Care System taken from Hillary Clintons dream, and a near bankrupted state budget.
This form us full of history on the Tennessee Tax revolt. Look at my bookmarks relating to Tenn Care, Sundquist, Tennessee Tax revolt etc and you'll see no Republicans in this forum liking that RINO.
A DEM was elected and he was a self proclaimed Liberal. No mention of a state income tax. He told the HMO scamming the state either straighten up or he would shut it down and he did greatly reduce the number of persons on Tenn Care and made it accountable. Also we have a budget surplus. He is the most Conservative governor we have had in at least 50 years from either party. Not perfect by any means but a lot better than previous ones from both parties including Lamar Alexander.
Don't let the letters D & R determine who you votes for. Forget the party name and choose the candidate on their own merit. The idea is to win conservative seats right? So why not put Dem who are conservative in office as well? This is mostly more visible on state and local elections. But watch the persons voting records if they run for a national seat they would be a better choice than a RINO.
BTW Judges? Not the big deal the RNC would like you to think. On a national level it is the duty of congress to hold Judges in check. Congress and many state lawmakers could make judges lives rough but they don't go there even when judges go against the obvious meanings of the Constitution by trying to legislate from the bench. Congress can impeach federal judges. Name me the ones in the past 10 years removed from the bench. The problem is the congress which allowed this to continue.
I stand by what I said. I will vote Conservative. I will not vote party for sake of party majorities. It is quite obvious now to see that doing such does not work as it only serves as Job Security for life long RINO's and Liberals. I will not support any parties liberal.
If a more conservative canidate runs against our governor I will vote for that canidate. The last time I voted for the Republican canidate who was more conservative which was Van Hilleary. I hope he runs again. If the GOP runs another liberal like Taxquist I will vote for Bredesen instead. I vote by what I see in an individual and not by what party chairman says.
"Why try to BS us?"
So, what is your problem - you are another one that is part of the problem, big time.
Gotta play the game as it is.
Likewise. Lookout for the dem that makes a campaign 'promise' to close the borders - amnesty or no - to split the vote.
I concur. I think that is what is called a "gut" feeling. A warning to look real closely.
Thanks for the backup. FR is a Conservative, not RINO site.
I am in kind of a tough spot living in a deep blue state. A republican vote won't do much, and a 3rd party vote would hardly send a message.
In the past, I voted for a libertarian candidate, who got more votes than the republican candidate, and their total votes still didn't add up to a third of the dems vote total. Ugh!
Oh well, where better to fight the forces of evil liberalism than where is lives?
I humbly offer my thanks to you for recognizing that I am not like you, but in addition, I should point out that it is not me doing damage to the Republican Party, but rather the "leaders" of the GOP who are doing the damage.
No BS
And if necessary, run away. : )
'Gut feeling' agreed.
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