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Myth vs. Fact: (You cannot deport 12 million people) Oh Yes You Can!
The New American ^ | May 1, 2006 | Thomas R. Eddlem

Posted on 04/25/2006 10:57:43 AM PDT by underwiredsupport

 

Myth vs. Fact
by Thomas R. Eddlem
May 1, 2006

http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/printer_3745.shtml

Politicians and pundits are defending illegal immigration with worn-out myths that can easily be proven wrong.

Myth: Illegal immigrants contribute greatly to the American economy.

Fact: So-called statistics supporting this myth are typically a deceptive amalgam of statistics and supposition arranged to conceal an undeniable truth. Consider, for instance, this statement from the ACLU paper Immigrants and the Economy (2002): "Immigrants pay more than $90 billion in taxes every year and receive only $5 billion in welfare. Without their contributions to the public treasury, the economy would suffer enormous losses." If 32.5 million immigrants (the total of legal and illegal immigrants, according to the recent U.S. Census figures) really pay $90 billion in taxes, then they pay half the taxes the average native-born American pays. Note too that the ACLU combines both legal and illegal immigrants into its statistic. Most taxes paid by immigrants are paid by legal immigrants. Illegal immigrants often pay little or no taxes because many of them are working "under the table" in the underground, cash-based economy.

Welfare is a term limited to only a few federal subsidy programs, and the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) notes: "Even though illegal aliens make little use of welfare, from which they are generally barred, the costs of illegal immigration in terms of government expenditures for education, criminal justice, and emergency medical care are significant." CIS estimates that the total net cost of illegal immigration is an annual drain on the government of $11-22 billion annually.

Myth: We are a nation of immigrants.

Fact: This myth is false on its face. Nearly 88 percent of the people living in the United States today are not immigrants; they were born here. This is a nation of natives, not a nation of immigrants. "But," the liberal propagandists reply, "we all have ancestors who come from other countries." And, one might reply, so does just about every other nation on Earth.

Are not the French merely descendents of the immigrant barbarian Franks, who drove out the Roman era Celtic Gauls? And the English are simply immigrant Angles and Saxons who virtually wiped out the Celtic Britons in the fifth century A.D. They too are simply nations of immigrants under this liberal myth, as is practically every other nation on Earth. The myth descends to meaninglessness upon any serious analysis. Yet whenever this myth is uttered, we are expected to nod our heads in agreement that a deep and salient point has been made.

Myth: You cannot deport 12 million people.

Fact: This is nothing more than a slogan for people who have stopped trying to address the problem. The U.S. government needs to begin deporting illegal aliens, and even if it only deports a fraction of them over the next few years that would be progress. If the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency deported only two million of the 12 million illegal aliens, 10 million illegals would be better than 12 million.

Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) notes that enforcing employer sanctions could lead many to go home on their own without deportation proceedings: "If you can't get a job in this country, and if you can't get social service benefits, you go home." Additionally, a lot of immigrants visit families on their own, and wouldn't be able to get back in if Congress decides to secure the border.

On the other hand, if the 12 million illegals are legalized, none would be deported. Moreover, this amnesty (whether called amnesty or not) would simply induce more illegals to cross the Rio Grande in the hopes of waiting until the next amnesty.

Myth: Illegal immigrants are only taking jobs Americans do not want.

Fact: Many illegal immigrants are able to work for less than market value because they don't pay income or Social Security taxes and are able to take their entire paycheck (or cash) home. This is not only unfair competition against employers who follow the law and pay employees "above the table," but it depresses the wage scale for Americans who would otherwise select jobs currently filled by illegal immigrants. These are jobs that Americans "do not want" only because the illegal immigrants have depressed the wage scale for the positions. Take away the illegal immigrants, and the market would raise wages to the level where Americans would take the jobs.

Myth: Guest workers would only be here temporarily.

Fact: History demonstrates that "guest workers" would be as temporary as the "temporary" telephone tax, still in effect, that Congress enacted in 1898 to pay for the Spanish-American War. And what would happen if 12 million "guest workers" decided not to leave? Those who argue against deporting the current 12 million illegal aliens as impractical are likely, if challenged, to say they find the prospect of deporting "guest workers" impractical as well.

Thus, it is hardly surprising that President Bush fails to mention a time limit on the "temporary" worker visas the federal government would permit under the "guest worker" program he is pushing in his public addresses. Most pending congressional legislation would limit the "guest worker" to three years — but what then?

Myth: Illegal immigrants have a right to come here. It is our Christian duty to provide hospitality.

Fact: Nearly two-thirds of the 32.5 million foreign-born people living in the United States entered this country legally, and the United States has more legal immigrants than any other country in the world. That's hardly poor hospitality, and no bill before Congress that has a chance of becoming law would change this nation's hospitality. But it is poor hospitality to say to the nearly 22 million legal U.S. immigrants who waited in line that they wasted their time following the rules because illegal immigrants will now get the same status.

The need to deport illegal aliens and secure our borders has nothing to do with persecuting minorities or lack of hospitality. The United States can continue to allow a large or small number of immigrants into this country legally, depending upon how many can be reasonably assimilated without destroying our American identity. Rather, securing our borders is necessary as a matter of principle — in the interests of equal justice under law — as well as practical security in this age of international terrorism. And this nation can no longer afford to allow "myth-information" slogans to sidetrack the nation from fulfilling the mandate of controlling the borders.
 


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderlist; deportationpossible; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; minutemen
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To: underwiredsupport

In some instances illegal immigrants do help the economy. They spend money at stores.


121 posted on 04/25/2006 1:09:59 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Myrddin
The totalization agreement does not address these wages, it only addresses the wages of those who came, worked legally, paid taxes, then returned to Mexico. Those wages do not fall into the Earnings Suspense File.

This is no theory, it is a fact, acknowledged by the SSA, as well as the Center for Immigration Studies.

122 posted on 04/25/2006 1:10:40 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: tessalu
Our borders should have been secured years ago. This is Bush's fault

Well not quite.

There's plenty of blame to go around......I wouldn't just heap it all on GWB.

123 posted on 04/25/2006 1:11:32 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; William Terrell
JMO, I find it interesting that the uber-Libertarians on FR such as william and their hero boortz are all of the sudden upset about family oriented and socially conservative people immigrating to the US.

I guess if if it were libertine Dutch from Amsterdam pouring in, they would be saying huzzah.

125 posted on 04/25/2006 1:15:17 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: politeia
"Also, I do not agree for one moment with your economic arguments for allowing illegal immigration."

Since when does identifying the underlying factors of an issue translate into an argument in favor of its outcome?

If I now post the history and underlying causes for the rise of the Third Reich, does that mean that I support Nazism?

I'm just telling you why it's happening...that's all.

126 posted on 04/25/2006 1:15:33 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: underwiredsupport

FACT: Friend of mine on the school playground with a 7 year old yesterday who told her he can't go outside and play or go to Walmart because George Bush is a bad man who is going to send him to a bad place when he sends his Mom and Dad back to Mexico.


127 posted on 04/25/2006 1:15:53 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Dane

Give the Dutch time, given what's doing over there with the Muslims, they'll be coming soon.


128 posted on 04/25/2006 1:17:35 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: BJungNan
In some instances illegal immigrants do help the economy. They spend money at stores

Didn't you know, according to some on FR, they twitich their noses and presto, food and drink from their favorite store in Guadalajara.

129 posted on 04/25/2006 1:17:53 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: underwiredsupport

FDR and Eisenhower had no problem removing Mexican illegal aliens during their administrations. Both used the military to round up the illegals as I recall, bring them to detention centers, then have them deported by the Border Patrol. Reagan should have done the same during his administration rather then to provide for them.

Bush is walking a tightrope by his own choosing. This is one responsibility he has tried to shrug off for too long. He has conflicted interests. He must be pressed to make a decision for action based upon his Constitutional responsibility, then take action.

I have no qualms with people of Mexican heritage, and welcome immigrants from Mexico that are here legally.


130 posted on 04/25/2006 1:18:35 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
"Simply put, the ponzi scheme is running out of suckers."

So we're having to import them.

131 posted on 04/25/2006 1:18:36 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: underwiredsupport

132 posted on 04/25/2006 1:18:45 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Dan...why did they go home after working when the Bracero program was in place?

Would this have anything to do with the bond/deposit put up by the employer/contractor guaranteeing the braceros transportation (to and from place of origin), living expenses and repatriation?

Or that the bracero program was controlled by the independent farmer associations and the "Farm Bureau" and that once their contracts expired, the braceros were required hand over their permits and return to Mexico and that if the employer/contractor didn't provide proof of having paid these expenses, then the employer/contractor wouldn't get their money back?

133 posted on 04/25/2006 1:20:16 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: antiRepublicrat

"Mexico is outsourcing its unemployment to the US"

That's an arrow in the pro-Mexico quiver; we were Europe's `dumping ground' for a long time, so, if we won't sing the second verse we're (to borrow from the feeble-minded) John Birchers or Nazis?
I suppose the response to that is, we had a continent to cross and populate at the time. Millard Fillmore and the `Know Nothing/Nativists didn't like it, but that's too bad for them and the current name-callers.
The Germans and Irish were "legal".
But that sort of begs the question, doesn't it, since the Mexi-philes are saying, "So make the Mexicans legal." With the difference being, they are currently in violation of US law and would require an amnesty.


134 posted on 04/25/2006 1:20:32 PM PDT by tumblindice (Mayor: "OK, we'll give the chinks and the niggers land------ but no Irish!")
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To: underwiredsupport

We can move tons and tons of armaments, mini cities over seas to fight an enemy, yet I am supposed to believe we couldn't rid ourselves of a good number of these people...pulease!


135 posted on 04/25/2006 1:22:13 PM PDT by riri
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To: Luis Gonzalez

At least you like my idea of ticketing pickup truck drivers with riders in back.

We have found common ground! Now we can move forward to finding a solution to getting them back home safely.


136 posted on 04/25/2006 1:22:31 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Osage Orange; All

Reagan deserves some blame for signing that amnesty bill in the 80's...


137 posted on 04/25/2006 1:23:32 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Ah, but "assimilation" is the keyword, don't you think? I think we should rethink our policy on Cubans. Are you a member of the "reconquer" movement, too, since that's what we're hearing from the agitators you want to legalize in the country now?

138 posted on 04/25/2006 1:24:13 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Raycpa

Ruh roh, the abuse button is being pushed a zillion times right now by some on FR for pointing out that historical fact(the massive deportation of Jews during WW II).


139 posted on 04/25/2006 1:24:16 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: calex59
What you are trying to say is the other presidents did it, so Bush can too, and that is pure BS.

That is NOT what I'm saying as I don't believe the fault lies with any President but the congress who represents us. Has a viable immigration bill with border security crossed his desk and he vetoed it while we all slept? Does he wield the power to single handedly close the border and deport? Please don't tell me you're buying into the bunk from Harry Reid begging the President to guide the Senate on how to handle this issue?

140 posted on 04/25/2006 1:25:18 PM PDT by StarFan
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