Posted on 04/19/2006 6:33:31 AM PDT by areafiftyone
April 19, 2006 -- BLUE BELL, Pa. - Rudy Giuliani took a few swipes at Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday while campaigning for a Republican senator. In a speech on behalf of Sen. Rick Santorum, Giuliani recalled that for most of his mayoralty, there was one Republican and one Democratic senator representing New York. MO< "[For] one year, I had Hillary," he mock-complained, drawing laughter.
After a pause, he continued: "There's that book that just came out . . . [it] points out that one thing that Hillary and I do have in common: We're both Yankee fans. I became a Yankee fan growing up in New York. She became a Yankee fan growing up in Chicago."
Giuliani's reference to the latest anti-Hillary tome, which accuses her of pandering, recalled his jabs at Clinton's non-New York roots when they headed for a showdown in the 2000 Senate race, before he withdrew.
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Dear Right Wing Puppy,
"What prolife office holder, including W has even attempted to overturn Roe V Wade."
The last time I checked, the executive cannot "overturn" opinions of the Supreme Court. Thus, you're saying that no one has done what is not possible. I can live with that.
However, to President Bush's everlasting credit, he has nominated two good candidates to the Supreme Court. THAT could be decisive in overturning Roe.
I'm reasonably sure that Mr. Giuliani wouldn't look to nominate folks who found Roe to be bad constitutional law, as Mr. Giuliani hardily endorses the bizarre idea that the right to procure the death of one's unborn child is somehow written into the Constitution.
sitetest
McCain and Rudy are media creations and legends in their own minds.
hardily = "heartily"
My dream ticket would be SC Gov. Mark Sanford / MN Gov. Tim Pawlenty. Alas these awesome Governors aren't interested.
Dear GraceCoolidge,
I understand your predicament, however, I'm not so nearly torn as you are.
As much as I dislike Mrs. Clinton, I'm unwilling to permit the Republicans to force me to vote for an otherwise entirely unacceptable candidate by holding me hostage to possibility of another Clinton presidency (shudder).
I'm a card-carrying Republican, and I'll vote in the primaries, and give vociferous support to the leading candidate who best mirrors my own views. There are many possible candidates for whom I could vote in the general election, if they were to get the nomination. Mr. Giuliani is one of the few who do not qualify for my vote.
But should the rest of the party choose to leave folks like me in the dust, well, hey, that's how politics works sometimes. But we should have learned from the crack-up of the post-WWII Democrat coalition that if you leave parts of your coalition behind, they'll eventually go elsewhere.
sitetest
LOL!
Of particular note is the following . . .
Barely two months after the September 11 attacks, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg stated his commitment to preserve the Big Apple as a formal sanctuary for illegal aliens. "People who are undocumented do not have to worry about city government going to the federal government," Bloomberg vowed. This assurance was stunning coming from the new mayor of a city still covered in rubble as a result of foreign terrorists who exploited our lax immigration policies at every turn.
But Bloomberg was simply following in the bipartisan footsteps of his predecessors. New York City's sanctuary policy was created in 1989 by Mayor Ed Koch and upheld by every mayor succeeding him. When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law.
Stick a fork in him -- he's done. This is precisely the kind of information that is going to get a lot of scrutiny during the GOP primaries and/or the general campaign in 2008 -- and it's just one thing among many that's going to lead him to a defeat of embarassing proportions.
Great post. For the Rudy detractors who don't think he's far enough to the right...... he is supporting Rick Santorum FWIW.
I don't think it is a great post at all. If he is supporting Rick Santorum then why is he wasting him time on Hillary and not knocking the democrat for Pennsylvania Senator (I forgot his name that is how important he is to me and I am from Pennsylvania and will be voting).
I cannot argue with any of the grounds for your argument, only the conclusion. I can't grasp the concept of someone being even marginally better than another candidate (and I think Giuliani is marginally better than Hillary), and not voting for him. For me the test is, given what is known, if forced to vote, for whom would I vote? If I thought it might teach the GOP a lesson to vote for Hillary, I would do it, rather than not vote.
I respect your thoughtfulness and your conclusion, however, even if disagree.
Regards.
ACTUALLY HE'S NOT DONE!:
New York City's Republican Mayor Rudolph Giuliani used the platform of a March 30 luncheon to appeal to federal and state governments and the courts to roll back unfunded mandates, leaving fund allocations to local discretion. Giuliani ticked off a string of his city's funding horror stories including one he suspected ought not be raised in a press club: New York is required by mandate to spend $175,000 a year for newspapers for the inmates of city jails. Another $400,000 is mandated to wash jail windows four times a year. As Mayor, Giuliani interjected, he has yet to see anyone dusting the panes at City Hall. Courts, said the Mayor, determined that jail meals were insufficiently warm: so there is now an order on the books to spend $300 million to rectify that. The same money, the Mayor protested, could build 15 schools, remodel playgrounds or expand the police force. Rounding out his list, Giuliani spoke of a new mandated water filtration plant in a city "whose water is already good enough to bottle, and better than the water of other cities here, in Europe or Asia." Giuliani said the federal government should stick to what it alone can do, sealing borders against illegal immigrants, deporting criminal aliens and negotiating international drug control agreements. Far from accomplishing that, he said, New York City now harbors an estimated 400,00 illegal aliens while only 772 were deported from the New York area in the past year. Feisty and smiling, Giuliani was asked whether he would accept the No. 2 spot on a 1996 Republican Ticket. The New York Mayor laughed in reply that there might be some doubts about the political savvy of one who backed Democrat Mario Cuomo in his unsuccessful bid for re-election as Governor of New York. Then, more seriously, he added that his desire for now is to concentrate on helping American urban areas. The National Press Club Record Volume XLV, No. 13. April 6, 1995.
Who he is supporting has no bearing on his personnel values which are not acceptable to the majority of conservatives.
AMEN
Dear NCLaw441,
"I can't grasp the concept of someone being even marginally better than another candidate (and I think Giuliani is marginally better than Hillary), and not voting for him."
I understand, but try to look at this way.
Mrs. Clinton, as president, will cause X amount of harm to the United States. Perhaps Mr. Giuliani will only cause 99% of X amount of harm to the United States, or even just 95% or 90%.
But both will harm the United States. A lot.
So, I'm not going to vote for either. And neither will a lot of other folks who think generally along the same lines.
And next time, maybe the Republicans won't nominate someone like Mr. Giuliani. And then, perhaps, we'll elect someone to the presidency, like President Bush, who on balance, is actually modestly GOOD for the United States. Or, the Republicans might decline as a major party, and eventually be replaced by another party, as the Republicans replaced the Whigs. And after a period of disequlibrium in our politics, perhaps we might elect presidents from the new party that will actually benefit our country.
On the other hand, if we Republicans get out there and fight vociferously for Mr. Giuliani, and manage to elect him, then he may very well be re-elected. And other liberal "Republicans" will likely follow in his path, and the harm will go on and on.
sitetest
Rudy Giuliani's Curiculum Vitae:
U.S. Attorney for the Manhattan District.
Elected Mayor of New York
Refused to support Republican candidates for Governor of New Jersey and of New York, and actively supported a Democrat for Governor of one of those states.
Cleaned up Times Square, eliminated Squidgee Boys.
Believes in National Gun Registration and a national test for owning a firearm.
While Mayor of New York, continued policies of his Democrat predecessors in fobridding New York Police from cooperating with INS when illegal aliens were arrrested.
Supported gay rights and appeared dressed in drag at a homosexual event.
Beat up on street vendors who sold knishes and pretzels to appease New York City restraunteurs who claimed they were losing business to them and, in the process, made life a lot harder for the common folks of the city who had a harder time getting a cheap lunch.
Declared ferrets to be a "wild animal" and thus, unsuitable as pets in New York, all evidence to the contrary.
Was saved from being one of the least popular mayors of the city, mainly due to his arrogant and abrasive manner, by the 9-1-1 attack.
Now considers himself a front-runner for President on the Republican ticket.
If you like John McCain, you'll love Rudy Giuliani.
This alone probably ended any potential career he may have had in national GOP politics.
Far from accomplishing that, he said, New York City now harbors an estimated 400,00 illegal aliens while only 772 were deported from the New York area in the past year.
He must have been smoking crack when he made that statement. He couldn't possibly have been serious in his complaints about the number of illegal aliens in his city -- when you consider that his own administration prohibited municipal employees from helping the INS do its job.
Whoa ... that's a courteous, intelligent exchange.
I don't think that kind of stuff is allowed on here.
Not really Rudy has said the same thing recently.
"THE KEY IS BEATING HILLARY! Does anybody with a brain want that mess back in the White House ..??"
Agreed. When you recoil at the notion of a moderate like Rudy in there, try visualizing BJC back in there... unsupervised, and without an official role except doing you know what.
It's a concept that I've found disturbs even hard core liberals.
" My personal dream ticket would be Franks-Giuliani in '08. "
Mine, also. Or Giuliani/ Franks.
Rudy Giuliani, Tommy Franks, Fred Thompson, Jon Kyl, John Cornyn and JD Hayworth are the only names that have the manly gravitas to compete in 08.
Taking a strong position on the WOT, illegal immigration, lowering taxes and vowing to appoint John Roberts type justices to the SC would also have great appeal to independents and Reagan Democrats.
BTW-I think the recent disgraceful behavior by Zinni and his cohorts was also, in part, to besmirch General Franks.
In March ,I noticed that there were a lot of anti Franks commentators suddenly making the rounds.
Coincidence- I don't think so.
Peter Principal strikes again!
Rudy tends to overdue things and that could make his presidency problematic yet I never thought 1 individual could have such a huge impact on "the city".
He's got my vote.
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