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Posted on 04/16/2006 5:33:39 AM PDT by Pharmboy
Two brothers who were shot defending their Brooklyn shop from a pair of stick-up men were busted for returning fire with an illegal handgun, police sources said. The gunfight erupted at 7:40 p.m. Friday when the two bandits, entered Vinnie's Style, a clothing boutique on Flatbush Avenue.
One of the pair allegedly fired a .45-caliber pistol when the brothers, Paul and Jacob Parris, refused to get down.
Both were charged with weapons possession when cops learned the Parris' used an unlicensed 9mm pistol in the shootout, sources said.
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The BoR is part of the Constitution and does not limit in any way what kind of arms they be.
The 2nd amendment.
No, I would not. Under certain circumstances, it's conceivable that it might be the only option available for one's survival. When it comes to survival, all bets are off.
States and individuals aren't all-that seperated. In fact, you have to have individuals to make a state. (First come individuals, then comes marriage, then comes the State in a baby carriage. ;^)
As such, 'We the people' are the same 'people' as mentioned in: "the right of the people" to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
As to just-how a government fails to represent it's constituents is way beyond me. Whether it's gun control or border control, there are very clear guidlines available to them. Yet, they fail on either issue.
The only logical conclusion that I may arrive at is: that I am not being represented. Taxation without representation is a pretty serious charge. And if you can't represent the people, you might think twice before taxing them.
What do you think it says about the right to keep and bear arms other than it is a right and shall not be infringed?
So now you would like to include one's definition of survival?
You realize you just opened up a whole new can of worms right?
Exactly my point.. it doesn't say that you can't pass a law saying a 4 year old can't posess a weapon.. it doesn't say you can't require someone to take a class and register a weapon.
The right to bear arms is not infringed.. you simply have to comply with very simple laws to keep that right.
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"The West wasn't won with a registered gun".
Neither was the East.
In PA the State Constitution give everyone the right to own and carry a gun. "A person's right to keep and bear arms in defense of himself, his state and his country shall not be questioned".
This makes registering any firearm illegal.
It also makes the requirement for a permit to carry a firearm illegal.
Guess what? PA has gun registration and issuance of permits.
If a citizen doesn't have a registered gun and no permit to carry a firearm and gets arrested, who is breaking the law?
I'll give you a clue, it ain't the citizen.
Excuxe me... laws dealing with immigration are inherently CONSTITUTIONAL, as that is part of the mandate of government. ANY AND ALL victim disarmament laws are patently UN-Constitutional as a clear violation of the Second Amendment which only GUARANTEES the right to self defence in keeping and bearing arms. The right itself long predates the Constitution and is handed down to us by God. Violating a "law" which is itself unconstitutional is not violating a LAW, even though our political masters want us to think that way and they will punish us for doing so. IF they think they can get away with it.
Enforcing a law which was enacted in support of a Constitutional mandate is a horse of a whole 'nother color... Kindly do not again confuse the two,
An old can of worms, actually. If a group seeking your demise advances upon you, you take whatever action is necessary to squash them.
Sometimes you feel like a nut..
Sometimes you don't,
Almond Joy has nuts....
Mounds don't.
How come even conservative judges don't agree with you then?
95% of Americans don't agree with you either.
I'm glad you like the song.
Sorry, but this is the most nonsensical post I've ever seen. A RIGHT is given by God, not men and is not "kept" by following simple "rules" since it can't be taken away by men. The Founding Fathers didn't want the BoR because of people who think like you-- they knew that people might be tempted to someday believe that the only "rights" they had were defined in the BoR, when they wanted just the opposite-- to pick out some very important specific rights that they wanted to ensure that the government could never legally infringe in the slightest. How do you know something is a right? Because you don't need the governments permission to exercise it-- it is a right, not a privilege-- please learn the difference. By definition, if you have to comply with "simple laws" to "keep it" it is not a right, it is a privelege given by the government.
just saw this thread. most likely these guys will be charged with a simple misdemeanor. if you have a unregistered gun for use ONLY IN YOUR HOME OR BUSINESS and use it for the defense of either home or business, the gun will be confiscated and you may or may not be charged. these guys will not do any time and the ADA will most likely drop the charges down to basically nothing. there is a lot of discretion when it comes to defending your business from armed robbers.
Its almost impossible in NYC.
Well that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
God also has given us a RIGHT to murder, enslave, molest, among other things.
That doesn't mean we should excerise that right.
God didn't give us the RIGHT to own weapons... that was a man made creation.
God didn't send down an AK-47 in Moses hands... he sent down commandments saying Thou shall not kill.
Well I believe and constitutional law in this country supports me that the RIGHT to bear arms is not infringed by keeping luntanics like you away from certain weapons and I thank God everyday that there is still some common sense left in this country... and when I say some.. I don't mean alot of it.
To think, the current AG in my current home state of New Jersey (Zulima Parking Tickets) has stated she is "against the use of force to defend property."
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