Generals defend Rumsfeld

To: operation clinton cleanup

We need a leader who understands teamwork, a leader who knows how to build teams, a leader that does it without intimidation. You know, it speaks volumes that guys like me are speaking out."

So this is becoming more about internal process and less about on the field combat. This guy must have wanted a PDT or more quality circles. Not enough TQMing going on. Oh, I get it now. Batiste wanted to Deming Saddam to death.

61 posted on 04/15/2006 3:17:11 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Self appointed RNC Press Secretary for Smarmy Sound Bites.)

Why unfortunately? Personally, I am completely comfortable having him on their side.

62 posted on 04/15/2006 3:18:55 PM PDT by pollyannaish

To: Lee'sGhost
Sean quoted Clinton speaking about the dangers of Iraqs WMD's. Sean didn't tell Zinni it was a Clinton quote and asked Zinni to comment on it.
Sean that hit him with the right cross after Zinni said it was all lies and distortions by the Bush Neocons. Baddabing!

14 posted on 05/26/2004 5:28:45 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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Zinni reacted poorly to the information that the quote was from Clinton during Zinni's time as CENTCOM dude in charge.

17 posted by jwalsh07

To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"- The U.S.S. Cole was bombed in Aden by al Qaeda. The rules of engagement in force under General Zinni's command enabled the terrorists to approach the Cole close enough to kill our sailors and critically damage the ship. "

It was Zinni's decision to have the USS COle refuel at Aden, against all better judgement. he put that ship in danger, practically left it defenselss in that terrorist hellhole and then prevented any respectable retaliation. Zinni's had his head up his butt for years.

21 posted on 05/26/2004 5:40:42 AM PDT by pgkdan

To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Zinni and Clancy were on the PBS Charlie Rose Show last night. I tuned in shortly after the interview began and watched for a half hour. Clancy literally never said anything at all, didn't even clear his throat, itting there like a bored valet. Zinni's beef is against Rumsfeld, "the civilian leadership" at Defense and the intel community. He said we should have worked even longer with the UN (though Charlie did not ask how many Security Council resolutions beyond the 17 we had would be sufficient to get the job done. ).
Being a nice man, Rose did not ask Zinni why he sent those 17 sailors aboard the Cole into an indefensible position in the terrorist-infested Yemeni port of Aden.

26 posted on 05/26/2004 5:53:20 AM PDT by cookcounty (LBJ sent him to VN. Nixon expressed him home. And JfK's too dumb to tell them apart!)
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An assessment of CDI during the height of the Cold War highlighted its founding and core philosophy:

Formed in 1973 as a project of the tax-exempt Fund for Peace(FFP). CDI and its sister FFP projects - the Center for National Security Studies(CNSS) and the Center for International Policy(CIP) - are spin-offs from projects initiated by the Institute for Policy Studies(IPS), the Washington-based , internationally active revolutionary think-tank.

CDI’s military members include former military officers, intelligence officers and academics who share attitudes of harsh antagonism toward the U.S. national defense, the U.S. military, the NATO alliance and American foreign policy.

CDI’s former military officers were frequently quoted by the Soviet propaganda organs to legitimize their attacks on NATO and U.S. defense forces as trigger-happy dangers to peace. Although CDI states it "supports a strong defense but opposes excessive expenditures or forces," it has opposed every major new U.S. weapons system developed during the past two decades - from the B-1 bomber and Trident submarine to cruise missiles, neutron warheads, and stealth bomber - as upsetting the U.S.-Soviet strategic balance while at the same time minimizing the Soviet military buildup.

To this day, CDI maintains an office in Moscow, Russia staffed by a Mr. Ivan Safranchuk, who is described as a “well-known nuclear analyst in Russia.” The purpose of the Moscow CDI office is to provide “the Russian media and public with independent, unfiltered information about U.S.-Russian security relations, from nuclear policy to NATO environmental issues.”

This begs the question: What would motivate a retired four-star Marine general to join such an organization as this?

63 posted on 04/15/2006 3:23:50 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)

I kind of like counting how many enemies Rummy has. The more that pop up, the easier it is to tag our (joint) enemies.

Besides, it speaks to Rummy's credit he's earned such hatred among them. To his count he has some enemies I'm jealous of. After all, I'd love to have General "Maverick" poking pins in a stuffed doll representative of myself. Would make me feel wonderful. lol

64 posted on 04/15/2006 3:26:46 PM PDT by Soul Seeker ("No Illegal Alien Left Behind Act" - (quote: Jeff Sessions) - 4/6/06)

65 posted on 04/15/2006 3:36:55 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")

He also has a stake in a Pakistani Telecommunication business. What are the rules on this...Does he need to register as an "Agent of of Foriegn Power"?

66 posted on 04/15/2006 3:40:12 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")

General Myers is a very professional leader and classy person.

I have much respect for him and General Franks, but I maintain bitter anger at the "Treasonous Six" for demoralizing our troops and emboldening our enemies.

67 posted on 04/15/2006 3:44:51 PM PDT by Emmet Fitzhume ("It is better to be alone than in bad company.")

This begs the question: What would motivate a retired four-star Marine general to join such an organization as this?

Good question. Looks like it dovetails with Democrat strategery to run disgruntled retired military officers as candidates.

Draft Zinni for Senate!
Draft Zinni!
Recruiting Military Personnel Who Seek And Speak The Truth To Run For Public Office

68 posted on 04/15/2006 3:46:12 PM PDT by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)

Whoops. Here's the correct link:

Draft Zinni for Senate! It's Security, Stupid!

69 posted on 04/15/2006 3:48:22 PM PDT by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)

On a local radio talk show, a retired general (retired with honor) said it is his opinion that the 4-star general is working on a book deal.

Local retired general has lost all respect for him.

70 posted on 04/15/2006 3:49:26 PM PDT by JustAmy (I wear red every Friday, but I support our Military everyday!!)

that it has allowed you to snatch the pebble from my hand. It is much better to snatch a pebble from the hand than to find a rock in the snatch.

Wow, you mean you have found a rock in a snatch?

71 posted on 04/15/2006 3:52:49 PM PDT by calex59 (No country can survive multiculturalism. Dual cultures don't mix, history has taught us that!)

Great link.. Explains a LOT of things...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1142417/posts

But Gen. Zinni’s current affiliations are even more interesting, given his severe criticism of the President’s actions in the War on Terror and the liberation of Iraq. It seems the General is a Distinguished Military Fellow on the Washington, D.C. staff of the Center for Defense Information www.cdi.org. The mission statement for this organization is:

dedicated to strengthening security through: international cooperation; reduced reliance on unilateral military power [emphasis mine] to resolve conflict; reduced reliance on nuclear weapons; a transformed and reformed military establishment; and, prudent oversight of, and spending on, defense programs.

A quick glance of the list of people on CDI’s Board of Advisors includes such great military thinkers and left wing activists and donors as:

- Ben Cohen - Founder, Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc., South Burlington, Vt.

- Paul Newman - Motion Pictures, Los Angeles, Calif.

- Joanne Woodward - Actress-Director, Westport, Conn.

72 posted on 04/15/2006 3:53:08 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup

My Army MI Captain friend thinks Rummy has done a great job along with tons of other active military in all the services...all he's said is we're not being tough enough in Iraq. He says quit all this politically correct crapola. LOL

73 posted on 04/15/2006 3:54:20 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)

74 posted on 04/15/2006 3:55:13 PM PDT by defenderSD (¤¤ Wishing, hoping, and praying that Saddam will not nuke us is not a national security policy.)

You may notice that posting is a bit light around Draft Zinni! these days. Well, that's because I'm spending a lot of my time over at BLUE FORCE, a new community blog on progressive national security interests and Security Democrats.

LOL! Or maybe nobody cares... what exactly is a "Security Democrat" anyways? What a bunch of fools!

75 posted on 04/15/2006 3:56:17 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup

"There are literally thousands of retired generals and admirals...and all they can come up with are six."
Perhaps it will blow over if the L/MSM goons see they will get nowhere with this. Any demorat games in political debates will be shut down with facts.

76 posted on 04/15/2006 4:01:59 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)

Just to be clear - all of the stuff in that post is from Wristpin's link.

77 posted on 04/15/2006 4:06:42 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)

Crowe has been one of the Clintoon whores since at least 1992.

78 posted on 04/15/2006 4:14:08 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)

To: Eric in the Ozarks

They have "protected their retirement" by waiting until they returned to public life. Real moral courage would have been to risk their retirement and speak public.

Seems I remember Gen. John Singlaub, US Army, was forced to retire after he made some politically incorrect statements several years ago, which were in direct conflict with the administration of the time.

79 posted on 04/15/2006 4:20:18 PM PDT by Tahoe3002 (Death to Terrorists!!! Semper Fi! USMC 1970-1981)

To: BigSkyFreeper

I do take exception to a few things espoused by former generals. I despise Clinton, and Democrats by and large.

Still, I cannot reasonably argue that it is Clinton's fault that former Army (military)generals now are critical of Bush policies. That is simply stupid. I have too much respect for professional military persons to mindlessly support that position.

I must however disagree at times with professional Troops. Generals (neither is Bush) are not perfect, and reasonable people sometimes disagree. Heck, I disagree with just about everybody at times.

80 posted on 04/15/2006 4:24:18 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)

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