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Auschwitz name change proposal angers Jewish community
Radio Polonia ^ | 11.04.06 | Michal Kubicki

Posted on 04/11/2006 10:50:50 AM PDT by lizol

Auschwitz name change proposal angers Jewish community

Poland’s request to UNESCO for the name of Auschwitz to be changed on the World Heritage List to the Nazi-German Concentration Camp has met with criticism from the international Jewish community.

Michal Kubicki reports

11.04.06

Poland has asked the UN culture organization UNESCO to describe the former Auschwitz camp as ‘Nazi’ and ‘German’ in the UNESCO list of heritage sites. UESCO is to respond to the request by the end of June. In Germany the proposal has provoked mixed reactions.

At present the site of the former camp is listed as the “Auschwitz Concentration Camp. The Polish government proposes a new wording: ‘former Nazi German Auschwitz-Birkenau Concentration Camp’.

The Polish initiative, which comes after many incidents in which the foreign press referred to the camp as ‘Polish’, has led to critical comments in the Berliner Zeitung newspaper which argued that the symbolism of Auschwitz should not be confined to Nazi crimes because the site is the universal symbol of genocide.

Most recently, Maram Stern, deputy general secretary of the World Jewish Congress, has accused Poland of attempts to ‘redefine history by changing the name’. The organization’s statement further says that ‘although the camp had been built by Germany, everybody in the area had known about its existence and workers were recruited from the Polish neighbouring village’.

Wladyslaw Bartoszewski, head of the International Auschwitz Council, himself a former prisoner, has disagreed with the WJC statement, stressing that none of the local residents worked at Auschwitz.

Deputy minister for culture Tomasz Merta, one of the authors of the Polish proposal addressed to UNESCO, is also very critical of the statement.

”The statement by the World Jewish Congress says, among other things, that Poles had contributed to the construction of the camp. This cannot be accepted. There is no ground whatsoever to claim that the Polish people had a share in the construction of the camp and that, by this token, they bear any responsibility.”

Jaroslaw Mensfeld, a spokesman for the State Museum of Auschwitz

”It is a pity that people from the World Jewish Congress, an organization whose name suggests that it represents the opinion of Jews living all over the world, say something which is totally absurd. The WJC statement testifies to Mr Maram Stern’s complete ignorance. On the other hand, one of the organization’s secretaries, or even vice-chairmen I think, is Kalman Sultanik, who contributed millions of dollars of financial help for the maintenance of the memorial in Auschwitz which testifies to what the Germans did, because everyone, but a few people, knows that Auschwitz was a Nazi German concentration camp. “

The statement by the World Jewish Congress also says that the Warsaw government wants the history of Auschwitz to be separated from the Polish history and to make it clear that Poland had no involvement in the death camp. Jaroslaw Mensfeld again.

”Poland during the war was occupied by Nazi Germany and it was Nazi Germans who built in Poland, among many, six death killing centres where they murdered millions of Jews. If there is any talk of who the perpetrator was, and people say ‘Germans but not only’, this is total ignorance.”

The Polish Association of Auschwitz Families has called on the government to condemn the stand taken by the World Jewish Congress.

The Auschwitz camp was built by the Nazis in 1940 on the site of a former Polish army barracks near the town of Oswiecim. It was later expanded to the nearby village of Birkenau. At least 1.1 million people perished there. Ninety percent of the victims were European Jews.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: auschwitz; birkenau; deathcamp; holocaust; israel; jewish; jews; nazi; poland; un; unesco
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1 posted on 04/11/2006 10:50:51 AM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol
I can see the Polish position on this. They were not the ones to do the evil deeds there yet this place Caries this name. It seems they want the ugly face of those events from that era to be associated with those who "DID" the evil deeds.

Or am I seeing it all wrong?
2 posted on 04/11/2006 11:00:36 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6

You're seeing it perfectly well.


3 posted on 04/11/2006 11:03:24 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol

I'm siding with the Poles on this one. I think the suggested name is more historically accurate. Usually nowadays if a name is changed it goes in the other, PC, direction.


4 posted on 04/11/2006 11:06:28 AM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: Red6

I think you are seeing it correctly. This was a German/Nazi site, not a Polish one.


5 posted on 04/11/2006 11:11:18 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: lizol

Why change it? It was Auschwitz during the war. That would be like changing "The Bataan Death March" to "The Mean Japanese March".

Let's live History real.


6 posted on 04/11/2006 11:15:03 AM PDT by Cagey (You don't pay taxes - they take taxes. ~Chris Rock)
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To: eyespysomething
If an ax murderer came to my home and killed a bunch of children and then in history books it goes down as the "(My name) residence murders" I too would have some objections.
7 posted on 04/11/2006 11:17:45 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Cagey
Why change it?

Go through this:

APPEAL AGAINST "POLISH DEATH" CAMPS
8 posted on 04/11/2006 11:23:14 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: Cagey

Not quite - this would be like calling it the "Imperial Japanese Bataan Death March" - thus noting who was responsible for that event, not just the geographical location.


9 posted on 04/11/2006 11:24:21 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Cagey
If I were a Filipino I wouldn't like to see systematicly sentences like "American POWs were forced to take a part in Filipino Bataan Death March".
10 posted on 04/11/2006 11:32:39 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: Red6
Never mind that some polish people turned in their jewish neighbors and then ransacked their homes.

Never mind that the people in the area of the camps pretended they knew nothing?

11 posted on 04/11/2006 11:38:01 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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ADL Urges UNESCO to Ensure That Auschwitz Is Designated As "German" Camp
12 posted on 04/11/2006 11:44:36 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: OldFriend
Never mind that the people in the area of the camps pretended they knew nothing?

And what those people were supposed to do????

And does it make Auschwitz a "Polish" death camp?
13 posted on 04/11/2006 11:48:36 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: OldFriend
I wanted to say something, however I am not going to waste my time, so I only repeat my comment from a different thread about the same issue.

Blaming Poles is in both German and Jewish interest, so sooner or later that will happen. Actually that is already happening, however times are changing and like one guy said: what goes around comes around. Some day we will punish our enemies. Huje precz.
14 posted on 04/11/2006 11:53:39 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Did you know Poland was about the only country which welcomed Jews during the Black Plague, when most other European countries were blaming them and killing lots of them.


15 posted on 04/11/2006 12:02:12 PM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: Cagey
The proposed new name only adds modifiers, it subtracts nothing:

‘former Nazi German Auschwitz-Birkenau Concentration Camp’

It's also important to include the word "Birkenau" since it was at the adjacent Birkenau where the vast bulk of the killing was conducted. Birkenau was an actual vernichtungslager (extermination camp: a facility constructed solely for the purpose of the industrialized killings), whereas Auschwitz I was a work camp where killings occurred.

As a side note, at Auschwitz III (Monowitz), there was a gigantic IG Farben artificial rubber (buna) facility which was purely an arbeitslager, or work camp.

The entire complex is known as Auschwitz, but these details are important because they reflect the Nazi mindset: labor to work camps until they're useless, then on to Birkenau for "disposal," non-labor directly to Birkenau for "special treatment" (sonderbehandlung).

16 posted on 04/11/2006 12:04:27 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: OldFriend
Wow-

Funny how many in Germany talk about how they were freed from NAZI oppression and now you even want to paint the Poles as the culprits.

There were a "few" Volkdeutsche Americans who even joined the German Army in WWII. You can always find a freak, the exception in order to try to void the rule.

The Poles resisted the NAZI's. The Poles in Warsaw had a huge Resistance. Some of the Polish Jews actually fought back. You are turning the world upside down. While a few Poles did collaborate, the majority did not. Poland was one of the biggest "trouble" spots even for the Soviets. Even today the Poles are very independent, sovereign and proud of who they are, what they are, their culture, history and heritage. In fact, this is even today one of the reasons why the Poles are in constant feud within the EU. The Poles don't want EU rules on homo's, abortion and other issues rammed down their throat.

17 posted on 04/11/2006 12:17:12 PM PDT by Red6
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To: OldFriend
Now please explain me what is the link between adding adjective "German" to Auschwitz name and the stuff that you mentioned? Anyway I've got some stuff too for you to think of:

Nevermind about 100.000 ethnic Poles lost thier lives in Auschwitz.

Nevermind thousands of ethnic Poles in years '39-41 went to a one-way-ticket trip to Siberia turned in by their commie neighbours who accidentaly happened to be of Jewish origin. Nevermind some of these neighbours later axed Polish villages killing mostly women and children (like Jacob Penner or Shmuel Kaplinsky) and are proud of it to this very day.

Nevermind hiding a Jew in occupied Poland was punished by killing of your whole family and that more than 5.000 of Poles actually took the risk.

Nevermind Jan Karski - special courier of Polish underground government informed the USA and British allies about details of holocaust machine in 1943 at the meeting with FDR.

Nevermind German facilities a couple of miles from the camp were successfully bombed in summer '44 by British bombers. Nevermind American ones bombed at the same time tracks leading to the factory.
18 posted on 04/11/2006 12:38:57 PM PDT by twinself
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To: Red6
It seems they want the ugly face of those events from that era to be associated with those who "DID" the evil deeds.

True. It sounds like they don't want the name Auschwitz removed, they just want it clarified that it wasn't Polish PEOPLE or Goverment that opened and ran this camp.

19 posted on 04/11/2006 12:41:32 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

No polish guards at the camps?


20 posted on 04/11/2006 1:03:05 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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