Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry
House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.
The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.
But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.
Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.
"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"
Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.
"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.
The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.
Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.
Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.
But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.
;^)
I got coal, myself....
Ok; I'm curious!
Now I'm REALLY curious!
What does this mean??
Elsie-thon placemarker.
What presuppositions? Are you saying that geologists who have studied the results of other floods would be incapable of detecting the Deluge by extrapolating from what they know of other floods?
Are you saying geneticists who have clocked the rates of change within different genomes cannot use those rates to determine how long it's been since a particular species descended from a genetic bottleneck, such as what happened to the cheetah 10k years ago, or humanity ~70k years ago (when our species was reduced to a couple of thousand individuals) -- and using that to determine that some organisms have never undergone such bottlenecks, while others have at wildly different periods throughout the history of the planet? Are you saying researchers who use calibrated radioactive decay rates for everything from timekeeping to medicine to food preparation are making "unfounded assumptions" when they use that same data to determine when a rock first solidified, or the organism last took in carbon-14?
Are you saying that researchers who have bored through old trees or into glaciers or into ancient lake beds, counted the rings and layers, and calibrated those annual markers with data derived from radiometric dating (which just happens to match up with the tree rings and glacier layers and lakebed varves -- go figure), are making "unfounded assumptions" even though they double checked their findings against other dating methods?
Bubba, if science was based on "unfounded assumptions" it couldn't make consistent findings upon which modern technology is based.
Nope. The only "unfounded assumptions" being made are by the anti-Es who want to toss out any research that does not correspond to their preconceived notions.
[slinking away....]
Does this mean you now disavow Evolution?? ;^)
BooHoo; that POOR girl, who was cheated from grade school on, by the SYSTEM!
Bull puckey. The only evolutionary bottleneck recorded in our genes happened about ~70,000 years ago when our species was reduced to about 2,000 individuals, not eight.
The only conclusion one can draw is, if the Flood did occur it was only a localized event and affected only a small segment of the population.
| "Are you prepared mathematically to back up this assertion? Let's do the math." Let's do the genetics instead. It's genetically impossible. "First of all there were 8 people who were products of a world history of nearly a thousand years. Do you really think they were all directly related?" Yes. There was Noah and his family. "Secondly, even if it were only Adam and Eve, the genetic concentration from the first humans would eliminate fears that we currently associate with inbreeding." Nonsense. You are ignoring the entire field of genetics. |
Hey! This is NO different than what Evoultion claims: that a small start has created all we see around us now!
NIV 1 Peter 1:17-21
17. Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.
18. For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers,
19. but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
20. He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
21. Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
NIV 1 Corinthians 2:7
No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
NIV 2 Timothy 1:8-10
8. So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God,
9. who has saved us and called us to a holy life--not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,
10. but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.
NIV Titus 1:1-4
1. Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God's elect and the knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness--
2. a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,
3. and at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior,
4. To Titus, my true son in our common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.
You got any data to back up this assertion?
(It's all Greek to me!)
First of all you must understand this, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own passions and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things have continued as they were from the beginning of creation." They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water, through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up. Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire! But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. (2 Peter 3:3-13)
Notice that St. Peter uses the flood as the context in which to identify the scoffers in the last days. St. Peter mentions the flood and Noah three times in his two epistles. He treats it as a real event. So either he was right or he was a false prophet.
Think about that before you scoff at those who accept the flood as a fact. We are numbered with St. Peter. Are you?
Man, if they'd just read the Bible and give up their godless research, we'd all be better off, we would.
Oh??
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BTW, the little program I wrote ain't much but I'll post the source code here for anybody who wants to play with it if you like. I just tossed it together over lunch and it needs a lot of work to be really useful.
Did I not just hear, in the last couple of months, that Gengis Khan was responsible for MILLIONS of offspring in Asia??
TalkOrigins articles include bibliographies of the research from which they're drawn (often with links). Therefore, anyone with a bit of curiosity CAN DOUBLE CHECK TO's FINDINGS. Let's see a creationist site do that.
I prefer to start with 8 because we are doing math from 8 to 6 billion. Are we changing the arument to "fertile women" and discounting everyone else? Everyone counts. I agree that the human population is not so simply calculated. I disagree that it is "impossible" for the population to increase as above over perhaps a couple hundred generations. It was part that culture to encourage bearing children. There was also the command from above to fill the earth and subdue it.
Yeah!
Check THIS out!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0214_030214_genghis.html
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