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Utah House kills evolution bill
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 28 February 2006 | JENNIFER DOBNER

Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry

House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.

The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.

But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.

Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.

"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"

Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.

"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.

The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.

Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.

Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.

But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: biofraud; crevolist; scienceeducation
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To: js1138
13,000 feet would be sufficient for any deity contemplating global genocide.

--"No one has explained what the leopard was seeking at that altitude"--(Too well known to need reference.)

741 posted on 02/28/2006 7:33:29 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Global genocide would entail wiping out all human flesh. The account of the flood indicates otherwise.


742 posted on 02/28/2006 7:34:02 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"Do you believe all foreknowledge is causative? If I "know" you are going to see the sun tomorrow does that mean I caused you to see the sun?"

No. But you didn't allegedly create me. And as far as I know, you aren't omniscient.


743 posted on 02/28/2006 7:34:43 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"Global genocide would entail wiping out all human flesh. The account of the flood indicates otherwise."

Leaving 8 people alive is close enough. Not to mention the needless slaughter of animals and plants that were not capable of sin.


744 posted on 02/28/2006 7:36:13 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: ahayes

Don't worry. I'll just watch TV on mute and hang out at the mall. ;)


745 posted on 02/28/2006 7:36:53 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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Out for the evening placemarker.
746 posted on 02/28/2006 7:37:08 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Perhaps an Old Man with a large boat.


747 posted on 02/28/2006 7:37:14 PM PST by js1138
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Differentiation leads to the slippery slope of discriminants.

Yeah I suppose there's a limit to how much of that sort of thing you can have and still be functional.

748 posted on 02/28/2006 7:37:50 PM PST by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
. . . as far as I know . . .

If foreknowledge is not necessarily causative, then why use it to accuse your "alleged maker" of a mistake?

749 posted on 02/28/2006 7:39:35 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: phantomworker

Excellent!


750 posted on 02/28/2006 7:40:09 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

You can believe anything you want, but you can't make the facts fit your imagination.


751 posted on 02/28/2006 7:40:23 PM PST by js1138
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A "Time to crash" placemarker.


752 posted on 02/28/2006 7:43:15 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Leaving 8 people alive is close enough.

Close enough? Without at least two of those 8 you would never have been born. Maybe you would prefer "life" as an automaton. Maybe it would be better if you had never been born.

753 posted on 02/28/2006 7:44:23 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: js1138

Pithy, to be sure. I'm sure you are capable of applying those words to yourself.


754 posted on 02/28/2006 7:46:03 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: P-Marlowe
But they get "tested" on it and they are required to put in the "correct" answers, even if they don't believe them.

The same thing is required with algebra; people gripe about that too.

755 posted on 02/28/2006 7:46:22 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"If foreknowledge is not necessarily causative, then why use it to accuse your "alleged maker" of a mistake?"

1) The *as far as I know* was from me saying *as far as I know, you aren't omniscient*. Your quoting it here is moronic.

2) The omniscience that is attributed to God would also mean that He knew what people would do when He created them. In this case, according to the story, God IS the cause of our nature, and the one who is culpable for our transgressions, since he knew what we would do before he created us.


756 posted on 02/28/2006 7:47:08 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

But being outside of time, it was too late. The whole sorry sage unfolds in a flash, like the pilot of a bad TV drama, cancelled before it is even filmed. All on a dark and stormy night before the dawn of the first day.

Time to check out of here.


757 posted on 02/28/2006 7:50:31 PM PST by js1138
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"Close enough?"

Yes. Leaving 8 people alive is a death sentence for humanity. There is no way a population of 8 can lead to 6 billion.


"Without at least two of those 8 you would never have been born."

If the flood story is true, it makes the worst jokes about Arkansas inbreeding look tame.

"Maybe you would prefer "life" as an automaton. Maybe it would be better if you had never been born."

Speak for yourself. I am happy to be here.
758 posted on 02/28/2006 7:50:39 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
There is no way a population of 8 can lead to 6 billion.

Are you prepared mathematically to back up this assertion? Let's do the math.

If the flood story is true, it makes the worst jokes about Arkansas inbreeding look tame.

First of all there were 8 people who were products of a world history of nearly a thousand years. Do you really think they were all directly related? Secondly, even if it were only Adam and Eve, the genetic concentration from the first humans would eliminate fears that we currently associate with inbreeding. To this day there are remarkable manifestations of genetic material amidst humans, on both the positive and negative side.

I am happy to be here.

I am happy you are here, too.

759 posted on 02/28/2006 7:59:46 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

There was a young man who said: "Damn!
It is borne upon me that I am
An engine that moves
In pre-determinate grooves
I'm not even a bus; I'm a tram!"

(Can't remember the author.)


760 posted on 02/28/2006 8:00:13 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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