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Wall seen as ominous U.S. symbol (Miami Herald)
Miami Herald ^ | 02/26/2006 | HECTOR TOBAR

Posted on 02/27/2006 8:57:03 AM PST by devane617

MEXICO CITY - ''The wall'' does not yet exist, and it might never be built, but already its 700 miles of fencing and electric sensors loom like a new Berlin Wall in the Latin American imagination.

The proposed barrier along the Mexican border was approved by the U.S. House of Representatives in December and is scheduled to be debated by the Senate next month. In Spanish, they call it el muro.

El muro has been a focus of news for weeks not only in countries such as Mexico and El Salvador that are increasingly dependent on the dollars migrants send back home, but also faraway Argentina and Chile. Across the region, el muro is seen as an ominous new symbol of America's unchecked power.

''The U.S. government has fostered an atmosphere of collective paranoia, given a green light to its spies . . . and institutionalized torture,'' Salvadoran novelist Horacio Castellanos Moya said. ``The only thing missing was a wall.''

The brainchild of Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., R-Wis., H.R. 4437 envisions two ''layers of reinforced fencing,'' new lighting, cameras and underground sensors similar to those in place near San Ysidro. One new stretch would seal off nearly all of the 350-mile length of the Arizona-Mexico border.

The beefed-up barrier aims to bring order to the chaos caused by an estimated 1 million people crossing illegally each year.

The bill also elevates illegal crossing from a misdemeanor to a felony and includes new provisions to limit hiring of undocumented workers.

The House approved the bill by a vote of 239-182.

In the lands south of the proposed barrier, news of the vote has been greeted with expressions of confusion, sadness and official concern. On Monday, the foreign ministers of 11 Latin American countries meeting in Colombia agreed to formulate a plan to lobby the U.S. Senate to kill the plan.

Guatemalan Vice President Eduardo Stein, whose center-right government is close to the Bush administration, made an unusually strident statement against the bill last month.

''It seems to us a real affront that a government that calls itself a friend and regional partner only wants our money and our products . . . treats our people as if they were a plague,'' Stein said.

Only a minority of commentators have suggested that Latin American governments share at least some of the blame for the disorder on the U.S. frontier.

''The diatribes (against the wall) are a poor substitute for adequate policies,'' Sergio Aguayo Quezada wrote in the Mexico City newspaper Reforma. ``The long era of open borders is over, and the escape value is slowly closing.''

Others point out that the walls already in place for more than a decade in Tijuana; El Paso, Texas; and other border communities have driven illegal crossers into the Sonora Desert, where hundreds have died of exhaustion.

Fearing that more fences will result in more deaths, Archbishop Renato Asencio León led a prayer Mass in Ciudad Juárez against the proposal. ''We pray to the Lord that this wall not be raised,'' the archbishop said.

The president of Mexico's National Commission for Human Rights, Jose Luis Soberanes, called the proposal an act of ``idiocy.''

The Guatemalan newspaper Prensa Libre took a sounding of the country's artists and athletes, who unanimously condemned the fence.

''It's one more slap in the face from the gringos, an example of their cynicism,'' actress Patricia Orantes told the newspaper. ``The walls are falling now. Berlin's fell, and [the Americans] still haven't learned yet.''

Bristling over repeated comparisons across Latin America between the Sensenbrenner fence and the wall built by East German Communist leaders, U.S. Ambassador Tony Garza responded with an angry letter last month.

''Comparisons of proposals to alter our border policies to the Berlin Wall are not only disingenuous and intellectually dishonest, they are personally offensive to me,'' Garza wrote in a release issued by the U.S. Embassy here. ``The Berlin Wall was built to keep its own people trapped inside, and was created by an oppressive authoritarian government.''

The United States, Garza wrote, has an inherent right to defend its security.


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To: devane617

Build it bump.


61 posted on 02/27/2006 9:47:30 AM PST by houeto (Mr. President, close our borders now!)
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To: Cvengr

To which side does the flag face? It appears that to many here in the U.S. they have forgotten what it looks like and what it stands for.


62 posted on 02/27/2006 9:55:35 AM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: HiJinx

The ominous symbol will hopefully become an ominous reality. Build the wall NOW!


63 posted on 02/27/2006 9:57:39 AM PST by afnamvet (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted; Reformat WASH_DC (Y/N)?)
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To: Jeremiah2911
Well, we are preparing to pay $31 million per mile for roads in Texas. How much can the wall really cost?

Economic Costs: Based on the estimated construction cost of $31.4 million per mile, the 4,000-mile Texas sections of the NAFTA corridors will cost $125.5 billion, not including right-of-way and miscellaneous costs. Adding in right-of-way costs of $11.7–$38 billion and miscellaneous costs of $8–$20 billion, the estimated total outlay for the NAFTA corridors in Texas ranges from $145.2 billion to $183.5 billion. Cost estimates for the entire NAFTA corridor system have not been disclosed but could double those figures. Public return on this massive investment will be minimal because, even though the NAFTA corridors will be toll roads, most of the profits will flow to private entities under exclusive development agreements with the various state governments. This move to privatize highways contrasts sharply with the U.S. Interstate Highway System that was built with public money and benefited the nation at large.

Thirty-one million dollars a mile!!!!!!

64 posted on 02/27/2006 9:58:23 AM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: Boston Blackie

LOL!


65 posted on 02/27/2006 10:03:09 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

My, you have a way with letters.

Hyperbolic in front of M.F. is hysterical--thanks....


66 posted on 02/27/2006 10:05:04 AM PST by exit82 (Congressional Democrats---treasonously stuck on stupid.)
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To: devane617
''It seems to us a real affront that a government that calls itself a friend and regional partner only wants our money and our products . . . treats our people as if they were a plague,'' Stein said.

That's because the people (and I use the term very loosely) who come here illegally ARE a plague.

67 posted on 02/27/2006 10:05:54 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: devane617

These writing idiots ought to study history before they make historical comparisons to the Berlin Wall. Man, these people are ignorant! The Berlin Wall was basically a prison wall--trying to keep you from LEAVING Berlin!


68 posted on 02/27/2006 10:08:13 AM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: conservative physics
I've often thought that's what we should do... but then we would have to give all the conquered mexicans welfare.

Screw that. We'll deport the residents of the territory we conquer. I've long said that there's no reason we should have to use our land to build a border fence.
69 posted on 02/27/2006 10:09:20 AM PST by furquhart (Time for a New Crusade - Deus lo Volt!)
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To: raybbr

Yikes! So illegals get a nice, comfy (re: Autobahn) ride before they cross over.


70 posted on 02/27/2006 10:09:46 AM PST by Jeremiah2911
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To: devane617
The president of Mexico's National Commission for Human Rights, Jose Luis Soberanes, called the proposal an act of ``idiocy.''

You don't suppose there's some shame in the background of all this, that so many latinos would rather be here than in their own countries? That millions feel driven to come here for jobs and medical care?

Naw.

71 posted on 02/27/2006 10:11:28 AM PST by Max in Utah (At least we had it, at one time.)
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To: devane617
The president of Mexico's National Commission for Human Rights, Jose Luis Soberanes, called the proposal an act of ``idiocy.''

No, you moron - the idiocy is allowing millions upon millions of illegal aliens into your country in what amounts to a defacto invasion.
72 posted on 02/27/2006 10:11:56 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: shuckmaster
Why invade? Offer jobs, welfare and Medicare and a majority would be willing to be annexed. But why stop at the Guatemalan border? Let's get that canal we built back.
73 posted on 02/27/2006 10:13:42 AM PST by BJClinton (I'm on my 7th pot of coffee in 36 hours.)
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To: devane617; All

FYI

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/02/26/BORDERFENCE.TMP

$2.2 billion / 700 miles

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$3142857.14 / mile


74 posted on 02/27/2006 10:15:12 AM PST by Jeremiah2911
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To: devane617
..... ominous new symbol of America's unchecked power.
75 posted on 02/27/2006 10:16:27 AM PST by Ron H. (Tancredo has been Right all along on securing American borders!)
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To: Jeremiah2911
Yikes! So illegals get a nice, comfy (re: Autobahn) ride before they cross over.

Illegals? You mean "new Americans" don't you?

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

76 posted on 02/27/2006 10:16:29 AM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: devane617
''The wall'' does not yet exist, and it might never be built, but already its 700 miles of fencing and electric sensors loom like a new Berlin Wall in the Latin American imagination.

Hey Hector – The Berlin wall was built to keep people in. The proposed Mexican border wall is intended to keep people out.
Big difference.
77 posted on 02/27/2006 10:16:43 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: raybbr

2 lane 2-lift, 4" asphalt over 12" scarified and 8" aggregate base highway on unimproved real estate runs about $1 million in 2000 without land acquisition cost. Today that might be $2 million. Tack on another million for bureacracy and a million for real estate and the $31 mil still reads at about an order of magnitude greater than actual cost.


78 posted on 02/27/2006 10:17:02 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Cvengr
2 lane 2-lift, 4" asphalt over 12" scarified and 8" aggregate base highway on unimproved real estate runs about $1 million in 2000 without land acquisition cost. Today that might be $2 million. Tack on another million for bureacracy and a million for real estate and the $31 mil still reads at about an order of magnitude greater than actual cost.

It's a lot bigger than that. Five lanes each way and three rail lines in the middle. However, it seems a bit ridiculous unless they plan to close our ports and ship every single container to the U.S. via mexico.

The article doesn't make it clear who will pay for it. It is clear that Americans will lose jobs due to it.

79 posted on 02/27/2006 10:20:50 AM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: devane617
''It seems to us a real affront that a government that calls itself a friend and regional partner only wants our money and our products . . . treats our people as if they were a plague,'' Stein said.

You're absolutely right, we don't deserve you guys. Teach us a lesson by shunning us and not coming here.

80 posted on 02/27/2006 10:25:53 AM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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