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New evidence that natural selection is a general driving force behind the origin of species
Vanderbilt University ^ | 23 February 2006 | Staff

Posted on 02/24/2006 4:12:32 AM PST by PatrickHenry

Charles Darwin would undoubtedly be both pleased and chagrined.

The famous scientist would be pleased because a study published online this week provides the first clear evidence that natural selection, his favored mechanism of evolution, drives the process of species formation in a wide variety of plants and animals. But he would be chagrined because it has taken nearly 150 years to do so.

What Darwin did in his revolutionary treatise, “On the Origin of Species,” was to explain how much of the extraordinary variety of biological traits possessed by plants and animals arises from a single process, natural selection. Since then a large number of studies and observations have supported and extended his original work. However, linking natural selection to the origin of the 30 to 100 million different species estimated to inhabit the earth, has proven considerably more elusive.

In the last 20 years, studies of a number of specific species have demonstrated that natural selection can cause sub-populations to adapt to new environments in ways that reduce their ability to interbreed, an essential first step in the formation of a new species. However, biologists have not known whether these cases represent special exceptions or illustrate a general rule.

The new study – published online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences – provides empirical support for the proposition that natural selection is a general force behind the formation of new species by analyzing the relationship between natural selection and the ability to interbreed in hundreds of different organisms – ranging from plants through insects, fish, frogs and birds – and finding that the overall link between them is positive.

“This helps fill a big gap that has existed in evolutionary studies,” says Daniel Funk, assistant professor of biological sciences at Vanderbilt University. He authored the study with Patrik Nosil from Simon Fraser University in British Columbia and William J. Etges from the University of Arkansas. “We have known for some time that when species invade a new environment or ecological niche, a common result is the formation of a great diversity of new species. However, we haven’t really understood how or whether the process of adaptation generally drives this pattern of species diversification.”

The specific question that Funk and his colleagues set out to answer is whether there is a positive link between the degree of adaptation to different environments by closely related groups and the extent to which they can interbreed, what biologists call reproductive isolation.

Funk and his colleagues saw a way to address this question by extending a method pioneered by two scientists in a now classic study of species formation in fruit flies published in 1989. The original method measured the way in which reproductive isolation varies with time. It proved to be very powerful and a number of other researchers applied it to additional species. Funk and his colleagues realized that if they used the results of these studies and added an ecological dimension then they would have an approach capable of measuring the link between natural selection and reproductive isolation.

“We thought that the idea itself was important, that this is a really powerful approach to a very major question,” says Funk, “but we thought that there was no way in the world that we were actually going to get statistically significant results.”

The reason for his doubt was the incompleteness and lack of uniformity of ecological data. “There are all these species out there and so few of them are known in intimate detail, so any kind of ecological characterization, through no fault of ecologists, will be limited in accuracy and precision,” Funk says.

Nevertheless, the researchers decided to do the best they could with the information available. So they collected information from the published literature on three basic ecological variables: habitat, diet and size. Then they used this information to calculate the differences in ecological adaptation between the hundreds of pairs of related species in the original studies.

When they compared these differences in adaptation with the degree of reproductive isolation for each pair and then added them up, the researchers found that the overall association was positive with a surprisingly high level of confidence: The odds that the association is simply due to chance are only one in 250, substantially higher than the standard confidence level of one chance in 20 that scientists demand.

“The fact that the association is statistically significant despite the crudeness of our estimates suggests that the true biological association is very strong,” Funk says. “Darwin’s famous book was called ‘On the Origin of Species,’ but it was really about natural selection on traits rather than species formation. Since our study suggests that natural selection is a general cause of species formation, it seems that Darwin chose an appropriate title after all.”

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1 posted on 02/24/2006 4:12:34 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 02/24/2006 4:14:20 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry
" The odds that the association is simply due to chance are only one in 250"

So Darwinists have some limited understanding of probability. Would that they apply it more broadly.

3 posted on 02/24/2006 4:16:43 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
" So Darwinists have some limited understanding of probability. Would that they apply it more broadly."

Better than the anti-evo's complete lack of any mathematical sophistication. :)
4 posted on 02/24/2006 4:18:09 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: PatrickHenry
This helps fill a big gap that has existed in evolutionary studies

I thought all this Darwin stuff was layin' flat.

ML/NJ

5 posted on 02/24/2006 4:21:38 AM PST by ml/nj
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6 posted on 02/24/2006 4:22:19 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

but... but... the Bible says God made the world in seven days!


7 posted on 02/24/2006 4:24:47 AM PST by Phil Connors
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To: PatrickHenry
"Complexity proves design"

LOL

8 posted on 02/24/2006 4:25:43 AM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I didn't know that natural selection was ever in doubt.


9 posted on 02/24/2006 4:26:54 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Paladin2
Perhaps more appropriate:

"The odds are against evolution"

See, no problem with statistics.

10 posted on 02/24/2006 4:27:39 AM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: PatrickHenry
These threads always descend into the tossing of insults. Some folks say the anti-TOE people start the insults. Some say the TOE folks start the insults.

I'll just note that the evos have a prepared list of insults in their pocket at all times.

11 posted on 02/24/2006 4:28:20 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (E)
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To: bill1952

How do you explain TROP?


12 posted on 02/24/2006 4:28:29 AM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Here's a typical and absolutely idiotic view of probability from Talk of the Ascended Ori, oopsy, I mean TalkOrigins.
In a calculation similar to Hoyle's, mathematician Roger Penrose has estimated that the probability of a universe with our particular set of physical properties is one part in 1010123 (Penrose 1989). However, neither Penrose nor anyone else can say how many of the other possible universes formed with different properties could still have lead to some form of life. If it is half, then the probability for life is fifty percent.

[http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/cosmo.html]

Well, one part if 1010123 is really one part in 10 to the power of 10123, but that may just be a error in mine or their HTML.

Still, I guess, to mathematical idiots or Ascended Beings and Darwinists, 1/2 sounds passably close to 1/10 to the power of 10123. ;-)

13 posted on 02/24/2006 4:30:55 AM PST by bvw
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To: PatrickHenry
. . . any kind of ecological characterization, through no fault of ecologists, will be limited in accuracy and precision."

Yet we have "positive statistics" from which we are free to extrapolate support for our anterior assumptions. The whole experiment was undertaken in hopes the results would meet all expectations. How can "natural selection" be a "driving force," when in fact it is merely an arbitrary way of explaining what has already taken place? If there is any driving force involved it will be energy itself, not a concatenation of ascriptions cobbled up by wishful thinkers.

14 posted on 02/24/2006 4:36:24 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: bvw
“There are all these species out there and so few of them are known in intimate detail, so any kind of ecological characterization, through no fault of ecologists, will be limited in accuracy and precision,” Funk says.

Nevertheless, the researchers decided to do the best they could with the information available. . . . . . .

Don’t you just love “science?”

15 posted on 02/24/2006 4:38:21 AM PST by ConservativeBamaFan
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To: bvw
" Well, one part if 1010123 is really one part in 10 to the power of 10123, but that may just be a error in mine or their HTML."

And Penrose pulled that number out of his butt.

"Still, I guess, to mathematical idiots or Ascended Beings and Darwinists, 1/2 sounds passably close to 1/10 to the power of 10123. ;-)"

And to a rabid anti-evo, the above sounds a meaningful calculation about the probability of this universe existing. :)
16 posted on 02/24/2006 4:41:22 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Phil Connors

Some 5000 years ago!


17 posted on 02/24/2006 4:46:35 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: PatrickHenry
The new study – published online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences – provides empirical support for the proposition that natural selection is a general force behind the formation of new species by analyzing the relationship between natural selection and the ability to interbreed in hundreds of different organisms – ranging from plants through insects, fish, frogs and birds – and finding that the overall link between them is positive.

Funk and his colleagues realized that if they used the results of these studies and added an ecological dimension then they would have an approach capable of measuring the link between natural selection and reproductive isolation.

I can think of a couple of on going experiments that refute the natural selection evolution theory quite well.

The first is dogs. Man has removed dogs from the environment and breeding population of wolves for at least 50,000 years. The physical appearance and behavioral make up of dogs has become much different than that of wolves and yet they can breed quite well.

The second is man. Many instances of populations of human populations are isolated for thousands of years in diverse environments and yet when those populations are introduced to other populations breeding readily takes place.

Another would be horses with the same circumstances as dogs and the same out come.

Man has been doing what by Darwin’s theory says should produce new species that can not reproduce with the old species for tens of thousands of years yet man has failed to produce a new species. Dogs are still wolves in reality and horses are still horses.

18 posted on 02/24/2006 4:48:09 AM PST by Pontiac (Ignorance of the law is no excuse, ignorance of your rights can be fatal.)
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O.K. So how do I put this knowledge to practical use...?
How will this bit of knowledge help me live a better, more successful, healthier, happier life?


I'm sure that scientists spent a good bit of money proving something that they already believe (just like creationists do, btw), but it doesn't protect me from TROP, illegal immigrants, higher taxes, bird flu, or democrats.

At the end of the day, this study raises only one question in my mind, "So what?"


19 posted on 02/24/2006 4:50:45 AM PST by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Evolution is a house of cards.

Here we see "new evidence" added to an unproven and unscientific hypothesis. The evidence must favor the Darwinian take.


20 posted on 02/24/2006 4:53:25 AM PST by RoadTest ("- - a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people." - Richard Henry Lee, 1786)
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