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My Choice (moral relativism gone mad)
Hartford Courant ^ | 2/19/2006 | Rev. Donna Shaper

Posted on 02/21/2006 5:58:36 AM PST by Neville72

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To: Paloma_55
When I got pregnant with the child I call "Alma," which means soul

I'm getting a heavy ritual sacrifice vibe, here. This is one seriously creepy broad.

21 posted on 02/21/2006 6:11:24 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Mohammad's da bomb.)
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To: Neville72
"I know I murdered the life within me. I could have loved that life but chose not to."

That is stark.

22 posted on 02/21/2006 6:12:39 AM PST by Pietro
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To: Neville72

Once, when I was a child, someone gave me a gift. Being a child, I reacted in a childish way, and expressed anger and disappointment because the gift was not what "I" wanted. The gift giver was at first shocked, and then started crying profusely. I was deeply embarrassed by what I had done in making this person cry. I realized then that a gift was not important because it's what "I" want, but because the giver wanted me to have it. This lady had been given a gift and rejected it just as that child of long ago did, too.........and the giver is still crying............


23 posted on 02/21/2006 6:16:31 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him...)
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To: PeterPrinciple
I, too, noted that her faith wasn't high on her list, yet she gave her "profession" as "minister."

Certainly she does not possess Christian character as she offers no contrite spirit for killing one of her young. I noted with disgust, her statement of . ."I was not interested in . . . having another child," just an excuse for her selfishness at putting her own needs above that of a God created life.

One need never raise one's own baby if it is an inconvenience or burden. That is why God ordained adoption.

How many childless couples' lives could be filled with endless joy through raising and loving the Gift of God that this woman chose to kill because it was an "inconvenience"?

24 posted on 02/21/2006 6:17:06 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower and avid ironer)
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To: Neville72
Plus my editor warned me to expect a lot of heat. Should that fear replace free speech? I think not.

"After all, it's not like I painted a cartoon of Mohammad or anything."

25 posted on 02/21/2006 6:17:44 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Sopater; Alexander Rubin; An American In Dairyland; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; BIRDS; BlackElk; ...
MORAL ABSOLUTES Ping.

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26 posted on 02/21/2006 6:18:38 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: Neville72
Our church offers a bible study for people such as your friend it includes men as well as women....it is done very privately and no one outside that circle know names. At the conclusion they offer a baptism for the unborn....I have heard that it is very healing for the participants....maybe a church in your area offers something similar...>I am glad to see that information is coming out about long term effects on these women....the women in this article has a cold heart
27 posted on 02/21/2006 6:18:47 AM PST by Kimmers
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To: Paloma_55

Ahhh...to be like God...with the power to give or take life.
__________________________
I heard a comment the other day - I think by a TV character - to wit: "I do not want to follow a God who can not accept my choices."


28 posted on 02/21/2006 6:19:05 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: Neville72
I did what I think men do all the time when they take us to war: They choose violence because, although they believe it is bad, it is still better than the alternatives.

"Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove did it, so it's okay for me to do it."

Of course, she still probably thinks Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove are evil.

29 posted on 02/21/2006 6:19:35 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Neville72

"I was not interested in a fourth child."

Oh, well, in THAT case ---


30 posted on 02/21/2006 6:20:10 AM PST by MajorityOfOne
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To: Neville72
When I got pregnant with the child I call "Alma," which means soul, I was not interested in a fourth child. I chose, with some searching, to exercise my constitutional right and ended her birth.

A woman with no moral compass condemns herself in these two sentences and doesn't even realize it. If she named the aborted child Alma and admits it means soul then that fact in itself should be enough to tell her that she ended a life with a soul, clearly against God's commandments. She has no constitutional right to end her birth as she terms it.

31 posted on 02/21/2006 6:20:21 AM PST by ladtx ("It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." -- -- General Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Neville72
She's desperately trying to talk herself and others into MORAL RELATIVISM.

Pope Benedict's war on MORAL RELATIVISM is right on target. It's never right to do wrong (tagline)....no matter how much equivocating, adult-chatter, soul-searching and excuse-making one does. Never.
Moral absolutes and imperatives are what faith-in-action is all about.

32 posted on 02/21/2006 6:20:27 AM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: Neville72
I am a mother of three children in their 20s, and I am an ordained Christian minister.

FACT: She is the mother of FOUR children. She just happened to murder her fourth. FACT: She is not an ordained Christian minister. She is certified as a functionary in the Great Whore, but she isn't anything remotely close to a Christian.
33 posted on 02/21/2006 6:21:22 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Di'ver'si'ty (adj.): A compound word derived from the root words: division; perversion; adversity.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Oh, you have no idea...

http://www.judson.org/


34 posted on 02/21/2006 6:21:36 AM PST by RichInOC (Stupidity is its own punishment...but sometimes it causes collateral damage.)
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To: fromscratchmom

I bet they love it.

It is becoming clearer that the pro-abortion forces are losing the battle of logic with regard to the personhood of the fetus. With more and more advances in medicine, the age of viability draws further backward. With advances in genetics, fetal imaging, etc., the fetus proves more and more a complete human every day. The problem is also the lack of a logical "it was just cells a minute ago, but now it's a baby" point, saving actual conception. That being said, they need for the debate to evolve into one that does not focus on the individual human life of the fetus.

The answer, in my opinion, will be an argument of freedom vs. life, as indicated in the above article. You will also see the argument of "self- defense" used more and more.


35 posted on 02/21/2006 6:21:42 AM PST by madconservative
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To: apackof2
I doubt that this woman, if this person is really a woman, is a reverand. I doubt she is religous at all. I even doubt she had an abortion. I take all these stories with a grain(or pound)of salt. This may be a "true" story but then again the Dimwits lie constantly and the recent glut of false stories outlining someone's life have made me very skeptical of people that tell stories like this.

She/he/it has an agenda, and that agenda is making sure babies continue to die in the US for no other reason than the mother wants to kill them.

36 posted on 02/21/2006 6:21:54 AM PST by calex59 (seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind and, BTW, Stå sammen med danskerne !)
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To: Neville72

Her interview with St. Peter will be rather brief.


37 posted on 02/21/2006 6:22:29 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Talking_Mouse
Ok so she was not raped, it was not incest, her life was not endanger by the pregnancy. Yet abortion is still a positive moral force?
I am heartbroken that she made the choice she did. What an adult would do was chose to have the child and put her (Alma) up for adoption.

Her baby was inconvenient or imperfect.
She was simply too selfish to have the baby and give him/her up for adoption. It would have embarrassed her and interrupted her lifestyle.
THAT is the way it was.

38 posted on 02/21/2006 6:22:59 AM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: Neville72

I went to her church site and it said the church is having an Anti-President Bush speaker in the next few weeks. Why wasn't I surprised?


39 posted on 02/21/2006 6:23:41 AM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: Neville72
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40 posted on 02/21/2006 6:24:22 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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