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SAVAGE INTERVIEWING CHUCK SCHUMER!

Posted on 02/17/2006 3:43:01 PM PST by outofhere2

Michael Savage is talking to Chuck Schumer at this very minute.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; gosavage; maritime; michaelwiener; portsale; savage; savageforpresident; savagewanker; talkradio; trojanhorseports; uae
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To: oceanview

>I don't work for the friggin company.

I have, for 10 years.


>so far on this thead, we are supposed to believe that the company that has the contract
>to operate the ports

First mistake. These Operational contracts for Port Operator only apply to ONE terminal, (singular)


>can't hire and fire anyone

Hiring and firing is under the control of the labor agreement between the ILA and USMX

> can install their own managers

yes, obviously

> can't select subcontractors

These are UNION ports.. there's no subcontracting... subcontractor for what? To move the container 30feet to another stack?

> has all their responsibilities for scheduling

No, the Port Operator doesn't schedule the vessels. the Shipping Lines do. The Shipping Lines coordinate the schedules and then the Port Operator is to manage the Union Labor so that the Vessels are worked effieciently.


> et al done by some else.

Exactly.

I guess I dont blame you for not knowing this... but in the world of the shipping there so many interested parties and companies and agencies that a "lay person" would think someone was joking (as perhaps some feel I am) when explaining that the Port Operator is just one of tens of controlling parties and thier control does not extend to national security.

They are strictly to manage the Union labor and keep the vessels moving. Customs and the Ocean Lines are responsible for workign with the Consignees to get the cargo cleared for release so that it can leave the port.


> so tell me, what can they do?

You should search my Username and read the multitude of posts I made on this thread in case you haven't seen them.


601 posted on 02/18/2006 5:25:12 PM PST by pacelvi
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To: pacelvi

every job is unionized? how about management of the information systems and computers used to operate elements of the port. or are you going to tell me its done with union workers on an abacus.

we don't need a UAE company operating US ports, why take a chance. why should we bother have to construct oversight for all of the things you claim they cannot do, to make sure they aren't doing them.


602 posted on 02/18/2006 5:33:27 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview; pacelvi

JMO, I will take the knowledge and expertise of a person who has worked in the industry(pacelvi) anyday over someone who makes broad and hyperbolic generalizations(oceanview, chuckie schumer, michael savage, etc.etc)


603 posted on 02/18/2006 5:44:32 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Pukin Dog

It's a mute point anyway, Congress ain't gonner let this go through, period.


604 posted on 02/18/2006 5:48:42 PM PST by Eighth Square
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To: Dane

I look forward to your participation on a thread some day, when the company that makes laser guided bombs for the US military - is sold to China. after all, its just a private sector agreement amongst the shareholders, what business does the government have getting involved? what could chinese ownership really do, nothing will change, they can't affect anything, things will work the exact same way they did before the chinese acquisition.

there is a reason why this deal required federal approval, albeit at too low a level. the oversight apparatus simply blew it, that's all - or were perhaps talking to the UAE lobbyists about their early retirement plans.


605 posted on 02/18/2006 5:49:37 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Dane

Peter King, Santorum, Tom Coburn, Frank Gaffney - don't forget those leftist pigs.


606 posted on 02/18/2006 5:50:25 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

>every job is unionized?

Probably all the outside jobs are. The office staff is mixed.

>how about management of the information systems and computers used to operate elements of the port.

Cargo release information is not inputed by the Port Operator staff. Cargo release information is transmitted electronically by the US Customs AMS system as well as the Ocean Carriers.

US Customs does not get its information from the Port Operators. US Customs is given its information by the Ship Line/NVOCC who gets it from the overseas Shipper, and is then confirmed by the Consignee when they file their US Customs Entry as well provide US Customs with the documents that collaborate the information.


> or are you going to tell me its done with union workers on an abacus.

If the union had its way, they would.



> we don't need a UAE company operating US ports

So what are you suggesting? Gov't interference in the free market?

It's already established that the Port Operator is not involved with cargo security, that's US Customs responsiblity , and everyone in the US (indivudals, domestic companies, foreign companies) is subordinate to the orders of Customs.

The Port Operator has no control or influence on the Customs Agents, the Port Operator only does the work that US Customs authorizes or orders to be done.



>, why take a chance.

You have yet to articulate what the specific risk is, other than your admitted ignorance.


> why should we bother have to construct oversight for all of the things you claim they cannot do,

The oversight constructed at the port is not to audit the work of the Port Operator for heaven's sake. The oversight is to enforce the taxation and cargo laws of the US as executed by the Federal Gov't Executive Agency, Customs and Border Protection in the Dept of Homeland Security.

Why you think the Port Operator is not from any factual basis.

Now that I provided you with these facts, you can go on to advocate your postition as if I never said them, or you can go to the numerious websites i cited and find out for yourself.



607 posted on 02/18/2006 5:50:27 PM PST by pacelvi
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To: pacelvi

you sound like the flight school owners happily signing up the arab student pilots pre 9/11.

hey, what could happen? what risk is there in training these guys to be pilots? what are they going to do, fly a plane into a building?


608 posted on 02/18/2006 5:53:55 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Ugh, the internet, I hate when I find out i've been debating with a 10 year old.


609 posted on 02/18/2006 5:55:20 PM PST by pacelvi
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To: oceanview
I look forward to your participation on a thread some day, when the company that makes laser guided bombs for the US military - is sold to China. after all, its just a private sector agreement amongst the shareholders, what business does the government have getting involved? what could chinese ownership really do, nothing will change, they can't affect anything, things will work the exact same way they did before the chinese acquisition

You are just licking your chops hoping that happens, aren't you. Well I'll take expertise of someone who has worked and knows the ins and outs of the shipping industry and actually knows what he is talking about, rather than the hyperbolic and fatalistic hopes of someone who knows diddly of the shipping industry, but has the hubris to think she is an "expert". Kinda of reminds me of the way hillary talks.

610 posted on 02/18/2006 5:56:24 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: oceanview
you sound like the flight school owners happily signing up the arab student pilots pre 9/11.

hey, what could happen? what risk is there in training these guys to be pilots? what are they going to do, fly a plane into a building?

Yeah those massive ships go 600 mph and can fly like missles, but keep on posting Ms. know it all.

611 posted on 02/18/2006 5:58:28 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: pacelvi

its not a debate. your only point to every assertion is - "nothing could hapopen", "nothing could happen".

that's not an argument, its a belief.


612 posted on 02/18/2006 6:00:06 PM PST by oceanview
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To: pacelvi
What I have intended was to provide some very specific facts on how the ports actually work, instead of these vague overreaching statements that a LOT of people are saying that have no basis in reality.

Try it w/out the insults sometime.

613 posted on 02/18/2006 6:02:55 PM PST by skeeter
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To: oceanview

I didn't say "nothing can happen".

And in case you dont know this, the Terminal Management does not delegate the Union worker to a job.

In other words, if you go to a port today and you see John Doe up there on the Crane that is working the ship, the Port Operator did not "employ" him for that job.

The Union handles the work assignments. The staff go to the Union dispatch hall and get the assign from the Union.

The Shipping Lines tell the Port Operators how many crews they think they'll need on any given day, and the Port Operator will tell the Union Dispatch hall that they need so many gangs hired for what shift.

Really you guys.. if a terrorist wants to get stuff in the country , erecting a huge conspiracy at the port would be the least effective ways of doing it.

For heavens sake today, all someone needs to do is make Chicago be teh Port of Entry for the goods, and Customs will issue a Bond, and the container leaves the port with no hassle.

But I'm sure you all took this into consideration already.


614 posted on 02/18/2006 6:12:00 PM PST by pacelvi
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To: skeeter

Oh right.... like were it not for the sentence you would have changed your mind.

Tell you what, try to use your brain, and I wont insult you.


615 posted on 02/18/2006 6:16:05 PM PST by pacelvi
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To: Dane
you sound like the flight school owners happily signing up the arab student pilots pre 9/11.


Not to mention that it was the flight school that called the FBI...
616 posted on 02/18/2006 6:28:25 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: P-40; oceanview
Not to mention that it was the flight school that called the FBI...

And also the FBI couldn't give the information to the CIA due to jamie gorelick's wall.

617 posted on 02/18/2006 6:30:02 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: pacelvi
"Good Lord Almighty yourself. I worked in this industry for 10 years."

All I'm saying is that this deal with UAE is dangerous, potentially deadly and a sellout to America. Seems most Americans agree with me, including Republican politicians in the effeted port States. But hey, if you feel comfortable having Arab muslims who support terrorism protect our seaports that's your right. Everyone has the right to be suicidally insane.

618 posted on 02/18/2006 7:11:28 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: texasbluebell; All

Got a link where I can hear it now?


619 posted on 02/18/2006 7:29:45 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TomGuy
Clinton and Schumer are intro-ing a bill to stop the Bush Admin turning 6 port operations over to an UAE company

I wonder if Senators (or Congressmen) have a pet name for bills whose sole purpose is to provide fodder for election-year commercials.

.

620 posted on 02/18/2006 7:34:51 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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