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Where is the love? (Prenups)
The Lowell Sun ^ | 02/14/2006 | Rita Savard

Posted on 02/15/2006 5:51:53 PM PST by qam1

By the time Donna Peterson's three children are grown, her estate will be worth $5 million.

The kids -- now 5, 8 and 16 -- can cash in on the family assets when they turn 30. But there is a catch -- each must sign a prenuptial agreement before saying "I do."

No prenup means no money until their 55th birthdays, says the Chelmsford resident.

"I'm not saying they're going to make a bad choice, but it happens," explains the 45-year-old, who has been happily married for 17 years without a prenup. "At 21, with puppy love, who knows how you're going to feel about the person 10 years down the road? We have to protect what we've earned."

Demands like Peterson's are climbing in the Massachusetts Probate and Family Court, where Middlesex County Register John Buonomo estimates 5 percent of all newlyweds in the Bay State are signing prenups before exchanging vows.

Figures from the register's office show the number of divorces declining by more than 2,600 since 2001, and prenuptial agreements steadily increasing by nearly 13 percent.

Reasons for prenups vary, but Buonomo believes two trends are driving the demand: age and women's professions.

"In the five years I've been register, I've noticed a considerable increase in prenuptial agreements," Buonomo says. "People are living longer, and they want to protect their assets. And more women are bringing up the discussion.

"Women have moved up the socio-economic ladder. They're partners in law firms, doctors and professors, and they want to secure their investments."

Boston lawyer Marty Kane, who represents residents in Greater Lowell, says 25 percent of all his clients' prenups stem from Generation X -- those ages 30 to 40 -- compared to less than 5 percent for older generations.

Generation X, adds Kane, is a guiding force in the rising tide of financial pacts.

"There are a lot of people in this age group that made a ton of money during the peak of the dot-com era," Kane says. "It's this generation that's putting prenups together."

Another push is coming from Generation Xers' baby-boomer parents.

"There's more acceptance of prenups today in general," Kane says. "Parents work very hard to leave a cushion for kids to fall back on. Sometimes you find the push for the prenup isn't necessarily the party getting married, but from the parents who forked over the dough."

That's where the Donna Peterson comes in.

Her oldest son, who is 16, is destined to become the first beneficiary of the family fortune.

There is a Catch-22. Peterson's son has no idea that a prenuptial agreement is in his future if he wants to collect his inheritance.

"He can use his parents as a scapegoat if he has to," says Peterson. "If he's really in love, it shouldn't matter. If it sours the relationship, he can move onward and upward."

Kane says mentioning the word prenup can lead to "one of the most difficult conversations two people can have."

He recalled a personal friend who waited to "drop the bomb" the day before his wedding.

"He was nervous, thinking his bride-to-be might call the wedding off," Kane says. "I wouldn't recommend leaving the discussion for the last minute like he did. But she still agreed to marry him."

Buonomo suspects prenups are increasing because younger people marrying are staying together for shorter periods of time. If a person has valuable assets going into a marriage -- a house, a car, jewelry or cash savings -- he wants to be sure to keep them in case married life is no longer blissful.

"Last week, I saw a woman in her late 30s who was going through her third divorce," says Buonomo. "People fall in love, love is bliss, then all of a sudden, it's not working out, and it's let's get out fast."

His theory?

"Short engagements lead to short marriages," Buonomo says. "There is an important part of marriage and it's called engagement. If people put more time into that, we'd see less divorces, and maybe less prenups."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: babyboomers; cheapertokeepher; deathofthewest; genx; loveandmarrige; marriage; prenups
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To: Paperdoll
Wasn't that long ago when everything a woman owned became exclusively her husband's property on her wedding day. Can you blame us?

Considering this is the Age of Oprah and Dr. Phil, yes I do.

61 posted on 02/16/2006 6:00:09 AM PST by sauropod ("Here Lies Joe Biden, Buried Under His Own Words.")
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To: ladyjane

Those same kids are the ones who are tempted to "pull the feeding tubes" and over medicate dear old mommy and daddy. My aunt cites an instance where that happened. She was the floor nurse, and when she wouldn't up mother's morphine, the greedy bitch of a daughter reported my aunt to the doctor.

Nothing happened to my aunt, discipline wise, but she did walk in to the room to hear some ugly talk from the daughter directed at her mother. Mother declined rapidly, and was dead within the week. That was a very long time ago, and my aunt will never forget.

My mother passed away in September 2003. I got a real good look at a couple of my children. My mom and aunt wanted to protect me from my then husband, so I did not inherit according to mom's will. I had to lay down after the funeral, and my oldest was hitting up my aunt for "her share" of the estate.

There is more, but that's all I'm going to say on that topic.

If you have decent relatives, why not provide for them if possible? What are you going to do with family heirlooms, if not pass them down to children and grandchildren?


62 posted on 02/16/2006 6:05:17 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
The KEY is "if you have decent relatives....."
63 posted on 02/16/2006 8:37:56 AM PST by goodnesswins (Too many idiots....so little time.)
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To: Petronski

The kids can always make their own money, if they don't like the terms under which they'd get their hands on hers. :)


64 posted on 02/16/2006 8:44:17 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: qam1

having drafted a few of these little wonders, it is very interesting to observe the difference between the men and women.

Women have prenups for different reasons than men. Generally, if it is a "professional" woman the prenup is a indication that the woman is a feminist and has no intention of being a wife. She just wants to be married for some unknown reason. Women are looking for an escape route.

Men are strictly asset protection. Men are looking to preserve themselves.


In either case, if not drafted correctly and REASONABLY they can be challenged successfully.


65 posted on 02/16/2006 9:05:49 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: All

so by the MSM opinion:

When a professional man wants a prenup he is being a selfish pig who is cheating the woman by getting ready for divorce. How dare he weasel out of paying support to the woman.

When a professional womyn wans a prenup she is being a liberated independed woman who is protecting the fruits of her labors from a money grubbing man. (heaven forbid SHE have to pay support...)


Actually in all seriousness, prenups can be very valuable to help OLDER people who have adult children and assets they want to go to their children.


66 posted on 02/16/2006 9:36:52 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: day10
Your thoughts ping?

When people are concerned with a decimal place on some egg-heads spread sheet more than the important issues in life they've already lost the battle and should be "cashing in their chip" so to speak.....

67 posted on 02/16/2006 9:38:17 AM PST by The SISU kid (I have seen the future (but I signed a nondisclosure))
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Sometimes by the time one dies, medical costs and courts have eaten up the entire bank balance.

That's how the "Life Extension Industry" intends it to be. They'll keep your sorry a$$ on this mortal coil until the cash runs out or your entire family is in debt up to their ears....

a very sad state of affairs (i.m.h.o.)

68 posted on 02/16/2006 9:44:34 AM PST by The SISU kid (I have seen the future (but I signed a nondisclosure))
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

This would make a heck of a movie of the week. Son meets girl. Falls in love. Hard. Wants to get married. Mother demands a prenup, or he loses out on millions. Girl won't do it. Son has to choose.

Hey, wasn't this an episode of "The Love Boat"?


69 posted on 02/16/2006 9:47:41 AM PST by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: qam1
So, in the old days when a man got married, and his wife eventually divorced him, she got half the dough. Now, because women are working, they're worried about forking over half their dough in a divorce so they're pushing pre-nups.

Does anyone else see something wrong here?

70 posted on 02/16/2006 9:50:08 AM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Pukin Dog
I agree with you and I am sorry so many freepers think prenups are the way to go. If you hedge your bets before you marry, you're not really getting married. That people believe it's more important to protect money than to foster lasting values (love, marriage, etc.) is very sad. The Bible says, "Store not for yourself treasure on earth, where moths can eat and thieves can break in and steal. Rather, store up for yourself treasure in Heaven."
71 posted on 02/16/2006 9:50:41 AM PST by utahagen
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To: Warren_Piece

He doesn't lose out, if you read the article - he just has to wait a lot longer for the money. If he thinks love comes first, he won't mind the wait. Right?


72 posted on 02/16/2006 9:52:05 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: utahagen

Whenever these man/woman, divorce, or pre-nup threads come up, there is so much bitterness thrown around I think I'm on DU. Am I the only person on FR that's happily (and FULLY) married, and has been for MANY years (19) ?

Seems like it sometimes.


73 posted on 02/16/2006 9:53:49 AM PST by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: linda_22003

Yeah, but in MY movie-of-the-week, the mother would be an old shrew (think Hillary) who demanded the pre-nup, or NO money.

And of course, the boy would choose the girl and accidentally discover the "next big thing" and become richer than the mother ever dreamed.

Dramatic license, y'know ?


74 posted on 02/16/2006 9:56:48 AM PST by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Warren_Piece

I guess I don't see why pre-nups are seen as the evil counterfoil to True Love. If there are large family assets to be protected, they can be a smart move. My husband and I have always had very even assets, so we did not see the need. I am my parents' sole heir and executor, but they did not see the need to regulate the inheritance (I'm 50 and still waiting!). They liked my husband and I was 31 when I married, so this was not a sudden, youthful decision that they felt they had to shelter me, and my potential assets, from.


75 posted on 02/16/2006 10:02:05 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: misterrob
I agree with your viewpoint.

Being originally from Indiana, getting married and living there requires a good prenup. There, all property is considered dividable ! This includes inheritance, property attained prior to marriage, everything ! Prenup changes the rules.

A guy who worked for my Dad in the late 1980's got married and was divorced less than a year later. She was an accountant for one of the big Indianapolis firms, he was a college student. She also whored on him as well. When the divorce was finalized, he had to pay her attorney fees, pay her maintenance. To add insult to injury, she got all of his material possessions except the shirt off his back and his truck since his parents owned it, she tried to get that.

Anyone who gets miffed at this is living in denial. Family money is family money, it should not go to ex-spouses if your kid gets a divorce.
76 posted on 02/16/2006 10:07:35 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: LWalk18
I think this is very funny, 5 million dollars while lots of money, divided by three sometime between 14 and fifty years in the future??? I wonder what if mom is still alive, gets sick spends most of the money on her care and these kids reach the 30 or 55 mark and there's nothing left, especially if they made choices based on her demands. I can see it, okay Mom I married Joyce she signed, I'm 30 where's the cash?
What ever happened to mom and / or dad passing on, paying off the debts and splitting what's left?, is she going to bust up her assets when the oldest reaches 30, and then what about any earning she gets until the next one collects, does the older one get a cut of the earning on the 2/3rds or are they ass out? Hey you already got yours. I don't care if I won the lottery you got you lottery at 30 the other 2 get to split this. Some moms are just busybodies I guess.
77 posted on 02/16/2006 10:23:14 AM PST by thinkthenpost
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To: Warren_Piece
Hey, wasn't this an episode of "The Love Boat"?

I think there was a movie of the week that was close to that. "The Two Mrs. Grenvilles" comes to mind. I may be wrong.

78 posted on 02/16/2006 1:07:42 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Crime cannot be tolerated. Criminals thrive on the indulgences of society's understanding.)
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To: qam1; BerthaDee; teenyelliott; pissant; Dashing Dasher
More of these agreements means fewer John Kerrys.

I am all for it!

79 posted on 02/16/2006 1:11:06 PM PST by carolinacrazy (Bow to your sensei.... BOW TO YOUR SENSEI...... www.jackassdemocrats.com)
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To: carolinacrazy

I'd be satisfied with one fewer John Kerry.


80 posted on 02/16/2006 1:18:09 PM PST by pissant
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