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Science losing war over evolution? Harvard Screening airs evolution versus ID debate
Harvard Gazette ^ | 02/09/2006 | Alvin Powell, Harvard news Office

Posted on 02/10/2006 10:18:17 AM PST by SirLinksalot

Science losing war over evolution?

Screening airs evolution versus intelligent design debate

By Alvin Powell

Harvard News Office

This just in from the front lines of the battle between evolution and intelligent design: evolution is losing.

That's the assessment of Randy Olson, a Harvard-trained evolutionary biologist turned filmmaker who explored the debate in a new film, "Flock of Dodos: The Evolution - Intelligent Design Circus," which was screened Monday (Feb. 6) at the Harvard Museum of Natural History.

Evolutionary biologist and filmmaker Randy Olson greets audience members before the screening of his film. Featuring Harvard faculty as well as scenes shot within the museum, the 90-minute film strikes a humorous tone as it explores the debate, poking a bit of fun at both intelligent design and the scientific community.

Though Olson is obviously on the side of evolution, he exposes the shortcomings of both sides. He portrays intelligent designers as energetic, likeable people who compensate for their shaky theory's shortcomings through organization, personal appeal, and money. Scientists, on the other hand, squander their factual edge through indifference and poor communication skills.

But Olson said there's something deeper than the surface face-off between those on the front lines. The efforts to teach intelligent design in the schools is backed by media-savvy, well-financed organizations like the Discovery Institute that aren't afraid to hire high-powered public relations firms to advance their cause.

And, though the position of evolution supporters has been upheld by the U.S. courts - most recently last year in the Dover, Penn., case - Olson predicted that the battle isn't over.

"What's going on is not being called 'a culture discussion,' it's being called 'a culture war,'" Olson said in a panel discussion after the screening.

The film is centered on the debate over teaching evolution in the schools of Olson's home state of Kansas and also covers the Dover, Penn., case.

Despite his scientific background, Olson handles intelligent design proponents gently throughout the film, giving them a chance to air their views. He offers some anti-design examples, like the fact that a rabbit's digestive tract is designed such that vegetation breaks down in a portion that comes after the part that absorbs nutrients, forcing rabbits to digest their food twice to get any value from the food. Rabbits do this by eating pellets that they've excreted to pass them through a second time, prompting the film to ask, "Where's the intelligent design in this?"

But rather than offering a detailed explanation of evolution or a point-by-point rebuttal of intelligent design, "Flock of Dodos" probes how it is that, 150 years after Darwin published his theories and 80 years after the Scopes Monkey Trial, a debate over evolution is raging in this country.

Though he concludes that intelligent design is a theory that has stalled at what he calls the "intuition stage," Olson says in "Flock of Dodos" that it still appears to have the upper hand.

The movie includes several shots of the inside of the Harvard Museum of Natural History, most recognizably the whale skeleton hanging from the ceiling, complete with remnant pelvic bones attesting to a time when the whale's ancestors had legs.

The movie also includes several Harvard-trained scientists, as well as faculty members Karel Liem, the Henry Bryant Bigelow Professor of Ichthyology, and James Hanken, professor of biology and director of the Museum of Comparative Zoology.

Olson received his doctorate from Harvard in 1984 and was a professor at the University of New Hampshire from 1988 until 1994, when he left the university shortly after receiving tenure to attend film school at the University of Southern California.

Olson participated in a panel discussion after the film with James McCarthy, Alexander Agassiz Professor of Biological Oceanography, and New York Times science writer Cordelia Dean. The panel was moderated by Douglas Starr, co-director for Boston University's Center for Science and Medical Journalism.

Dean said the debate has remained alive because the scientific community has failed to make the case for evolution to the ordinary person. That is at least partly due to neglect, she said.

"They often see no necessity to do so, and our society as a whole suffers for it," Dean said.

McCarthy said that may be because of the nature of the scientific subculture itself. Scientists are discouraged from drawing too bold conclusions from their research and from not mentioning sometimes multiple caveats on their findings, traits that make it difficult to craft and deliver a clear, persuasive message to the public.

"It's so counter to our training as scientists to give a flip answer or to give an answer without all the caveats," McCarthy said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evolution; harvard; id; intelligentdesign; science
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61 posted on 02/10/2006 10:36:27 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: SirLinksalot
The efforts to teach intelligent design in the schools is backed by media-savvy, well-financed organizations like the Discovery Institute

The Discovery Institute has repeatedly and clearly stated they are not in favor of ID being taught in public schools!

62 posted on 02/10/2006 10:48:12 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: wallcrawlr
Thanks for the ping wallcrawlr.

It would be nice if at least for one thread out of a thousand, the administrators of this site would restrict the serial evo-nutcases from that one out of a thousand thread so people could have a real dialog.

I think thats what most of us came for, and you see what people get.

I could say more, but then I would have to allude and infer to the white elephant in the living room.

Regards,

Wolf
63 posted on 02/10/2006 11:05:16 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: maplegrover
maplegrover these characters you refer too in this thread.

What you see the is pretty much representative of the state of affairs.

There are several like this that pretty much have the run of the whole place in the manner you see, and what you see there is only the tip of the iceberg. Talk about serial? look for the same kind of pus message going back hundreds/thousands of times from the sorts.

Then there are a few more that show up with the same kind of garbage, and then interlace their sac-religious anti-Christian imagery with some moderately veiled white supremacy crap.

Let me guess, you came for dialog and this is what is thrown at you. Well get used to it.

Wolf
64 posted on 02/10/2006 11:15:02 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: balrog666

The most preposterous notion is this caricature.


65 posted on 02/10/2006 11:18:42 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Snowbelt Man
the refusal to allow the scientific flaws with evolution to be brought into the class room. That's what really has been going on and that's what all the backlash is about

Yes at the core that is the issue. The theory of evo //that they want so much to be as real as gravity// is going into the dust bin of history.

Oh it may live on in cult of like minds for some time.

Wolf
66 posted on 02/11/2006 12:30:27 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: RobbyS
FYI that caricature is a R. Heinlein quote I think.

They quote R. Heinlein as their prophet.

Let them go onto him.

Wolf
67 posted on 02/11/2006 1:55:43 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf

Good evening!

Up late, are we?

The blind rage, scorn which covers howling fear, as evidenced by the most absolutist refusal to debate rationally, reveals the evofundies for what they are.

They want to believe, so they believe. Their need and desire to believe that there is no reason, no cause, no God, no soul, no divine order enthralls them totally. They are even more locked in a small box of their own making than the pro-drug guys.

They tremble underneath their anger. They have exoskeletons that seem hard and scarey, and underneath, they're just naked quivering little things. All shell, no substance. All exterior and no innards. All armor and no stout heart.

Of course, they can change. I did. I used to "believe" not only in the TOE but in all sorts of other nonsense as well. The door is always open, but people can stay in the little box if that's what they want.


68 posted on 02/11/2006 2:00:34 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: RunningWolf

I was really influenced by Heinlein when I was around 15 years old - "Stranger in a Strange Land" etc. Thought it was so profound, and it helped influence me into rejecting sexual morality. Helped.

Years later, I re-read it (in a couple of hours). I was totally amazed how shallow and ill-written it was. Tripe. Garbage. Like a junk comic book without pictures.


69 posted on 02/11/2006 2:05:33 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: TheDon
Let's review:
  1. People like food that is bad for them.
  2. This contradicts evolution, as people never should have evolved this way
  3. Therefore, people must have their bad habits because of an intelligent designer.
Very interesting logic you creationists have.
70 posted on 02/11/2006 5:48:41 AM PST by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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To: hail to the chief

Get it right. People have bad habits because of free will.


71 posted on 02/11/2006 7:25:37 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: hail to the chief

You got it! :^)


72 posted on 02/11/2006 8:34:26 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: orionblamblam; WKB; derllak
That whole posting is taken staight from the Creationism Handbook of Catch Phrases.

Well, like a "catcher" in the rye, I was able to "catch" some grief and "catch" up on some things.

The statements were "catches" all right, must have been an early bird "catching" the worm or maybe simply just a "catch-all." "Catching" on is even better as you can be a "catch" with red hands or a "catch" with your pants down if not. I think it was "catching" instead. Maybe it will "catch" on someday.

73 posted on 02/11/2006 8:44:24 AM PST by moog
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To: jonno

"The most ignorant statement made at FR today."

I get NO respect, no respect....


74 posted on 02/11/2006 8:45:42 AM PST by moog
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To: LiteKeeper

The Discovery Institute has repeatedly and clearly stated they are not in favor of ID being taught in public schools!

Elaborate on that.


75 posted on 02/11/2006 8:46:26 AM PST by moog
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To: moog; orionblamblam; derllak

I like catchup on my french fries.
Does that count?


76 posted on 02/11/2006 8:47:02 AM PST by WKB
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To: RunningWolf

and infer to the white elephant in the living room.

The pink hyena in mine says hello.


77 posted on 02/11/2006 8:47:52 AM PST by moog
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To: little jeremiah

What facilitated the change LJ? Glad to see you up and at 'em.


78 posted on 02/11/2006 8:49:34 AM PST by moog
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To: SirLinksalot

"They often see no necessity to do so, and our society as a whole suffers for it," Dean said."

Funny, but after my 23 years of managerial experience, I have yet to write a report or made a presentation to any board of directors explaining how evolution fits into a business model. Now maybe if I worked for a banana importer, a discussion of monkeys and evolution might then be relevant.


79 posted on 02/11/2006 8:50:49 AM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: WKB

I like catchup on my french fries.
Does that count?

As long as you don't get "caught up" too much into it.


80 posted on 02/11/2006 8:50:54 AM PST by moog
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