Posted on 01/29/2006 11:14:04 AM PST by John Jorsett
After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid of its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber) weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared to the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM (Special Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber pistols as official alternatives to the M9 Beretta. But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine (at least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also have a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length must be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.
The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985, was, as its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern designs out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and are easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually about a century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy 645,000 JCPs.
SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and final selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves with unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year. But dont hold your breath.
Yep.... I have a paging alarm system on my vehicle that calls my cell phone for just such a reason. I have a custom welded in recessed locking floor box that fits flush with the floor board and hides under the floor mats for my toys that I leave in the vehicle. It will hold a MP5 full up or M4 carbine with the pins pulled and taken down .
Works well to not leave goodies in view....dark limo tint on all but the front drivers and passenger windows where "legal tint" must be used also helps.
Oh my. I'll bet you were glad the Taurus held up as well as it did. That could have been disastrous.
If it was a .38 Super, it probably wasn't from a double charge, as much as over pressure on reloaded cases. In order to get major caliber scoring in a .38 Super, you really need to push the envelope when it comes to the loads and pressure. You've got to very carefully inspect those cases, and it's easy to miss some that have bulged a bit. Even with ramped barrels, you'll sometimes get a blown case. In 6 years of shooting USPSA competition and practice 2 nights a week, and bowling pin matches once a week, I only saw 5 blown cases, 4 of which were .38 Super. I did see a double loaded .45 with 231 blow the magazine out of a 1911. But that was the only time I ever saw a double charge.
Mark
We are better through our actions, not what type of ammunition or weapons we use. Enhanced lethality bullets, incidiary weapons, other weapons banned by it, by all means our forces should use them. Burning to death is probably the only thing terrorists would fear, and since the terrorists are suicidal, we should use bullets that dump more energy into the body instead of wasting it on over-penetration.
Flush with the floor eh? That's cool! I'll tell them about that sort of box. She "thinks" somebody tipped off the thieves and then waited until they were out to supper in another vehicle because it was pretty much out of sight, and really didn't look like a gun box. But I'll tell him about the sort of box you're using. Thanks! :-)
It's a "magazine." A clip is something else completely. However, I DO have a .45 that uses "clips." Specifically, "full moon clips," as it's my .45ACP revolver, a S&W 625-5.
Mark
I've never owned one, but would love to. That and the SAR-180. They have a 275 round magazine for that little Lewis Gun.
I can't find a reference, but I remember reloading tools for the Calicos meant to let you dump a box of 22s into a hopper and then you attached it to the helical magazine and reloaded by pushing a button with your thumb. Basically it just provided you a feed for the bullets and a larger area to push on with your thumb when loading up the magazine.
I have a Ruger 10/22 with a 50 round magazine. That is the most fun to shoot of anything I've ever had. Plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, and so on.
4516 here... mine runs just fine too
Yep, my money would be on SIG. They have the logistics support already in place that others don't, and in source selection that is a biggy.
my M1911 .45 works just fine thank you, no changes necessary,
I think HK is too expensive of a weapon for general purpose issue.....it is a hammer gun vs a internal striker so it has potential in the dirt and sand vs the striker systems.
I'll make ya a cold servesa bet it's a SIG vs the HK.....but your correct it has the same potential ability etc .....:o)
I love my 625-5. A buddy of mine got Ron Power to do one of his "carry" action jobs on it as a favor, and it's one of the sweetest shooting revolvers I've ever had. Only one I have is better, but it's a Power Grand Master 629.
Mark
You can bet that whatever they pick, it'll piss off 75% of us. Just like the Beretta did when it was picked over the Sig, for political reasons.
HK is getting plenty of weapon contracts lately...
Speaking of which, do you have any info on the XM-8 prototype? I'm hearing conflicting things about it.
LoL!!! I've probably got a need to sacrifice to the reloading gods as well.
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