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U.S. Brings Back the .45
Strategy Page ^ | January 27, 2006

Posted on 01/29/2006 11:14:04 AM PST by John Jorsett

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To: RadioAstronomer
I'm happy with my aluminum baseball bat.
361 posted on 01/29/2006 10:56:32 PM PST by FOG724 (Governor Spendanator)
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To: jess35
OK, note to self. Scratch the separate gunsafe idea off the list.

L

362 posted on 01/29/2006 11:09:52 PM PST by Lurker (I trust in God. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: Phsstpok

I've two magazines for mine. One after another, but it is fun to shoot. The wife likes it as well. As loading takes place, I've discovered that you need to press a release at the back of the mag to take pressure off. There's a swing-out handle there to wind the spring for shooting. You can get tracer rounds as well.


363 posted on 01/30/2006 3:53:46 AM PST by Simo Hayha (An education is incomplete without instruction in the use of arms to defend oneself against harm.)
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To: John Jorsett; TXBSAFH
Glock makes a .45. If they'd add on the stuff the military is asking for, I'd think that would be the gun of choice. Glocks are nearly indestructable unless you decide to run them through a bandsaw or something.

As much as I like the Glock (I carry one). It falls short in one particular area. It has ho "re-strike" capability. That is, if the round doesn't fire on the first trigger pull, you cannot just pull the trigger again (in a Glock) to try to fire the round unless you recycle the action, only true DAO or SA/DA handguns have that capability. The Sig or HK is much better suited to a military application.

364 posted on 01/30/2006 5:12:01 AM PST by P8riot (When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first.)
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To: CFC__VRWC

Sorry I'm late answering you . I have the light on my weapon for a single purpose and that is not to have to grab my Surefire and a handgun should the Rotts go into panic mode. I also have a ANPVS-14 NV Monocular/Scope.

I have fired about 500 rounds of full house Hydra shoks through my handguns with rails aka a G34 9MM and a G21 in 45 with no damage to the handguns. Albeit I have a sheriff in a nearby county that has cracked his glock frames using the X200 Surefire rail light.

I bought the M3 streamlights version due the price and the very good fit on a glock. I have no problems with the M3 light on my Glocks.

The light is a last resort for me but I want it as a last resort .......available per se !

I use the NVG's and the Pups for my local security but a remington 870 and a Benelli M1 rest in parts of the home and they also have the surefire forends if needed.

Just something I like to "have" if I need it. But then again if I am just walking out to the gate late at night I will use the light on the Glock to see my path........I carry my glocks chamber empty , dry fired , prior to inserting a full magazine etc etc .....

Stay safe !


365 posted on 01/30/2006 7:04:51 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Lurker

LOL....She'll let ya have it ....I'm sure she will !

Stay safe !


366 posted on 01/30/2006 7:06:39 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Eaker

LOL....You just ain't blowed one of them up ...........yet !


367 posted on 01/30/2006 7:08:16 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: John Jorsett

Now get rid of the M-16 and make a real rifle caliber that isn't deflected by twigs!


368 posted on 01/30/2006 7:09:29 AM PST by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: Phsstpok

plus a 22 is not as loud.


369 posted on 01/30/2006 7:10:04 AM PST by jetson (throne)
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To: Americanwolf

I agree.

The .45 is a definite, reliable man-stopper. The smaller calibers are best for Mafia hit-men who get real up and close to their targets before the target realizes what's happening.


370 posted on 01/30/2006 7:15:41 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: CFC__VRWC

BTW I have a 239 also in 40 w/ the conversion mags and barrel in 357SIG (learned the hard way the geometry is different in a single stack mag vs the same conversion in say a Glock double stack mag from 40 to 357SIG.

But as ya state the SIG 239 will require a seperate handheld light. If ya have one you favor then so be it.

Albeit they are the larger of the Surefires I stick with just a 6P style lamp for ease of logistics when I travel. I carry a couple of the hockey pucks w/ spare bulbs and batteries for my 4 lights stashed in my gear.

The decisions to use or not is a personal one. I'm of the opinion that knowledge of your home and total darkness will allow ya to navigate in a safer mode than selling your location with a light beam to a possible agressor in your home.

But then all my homework is done by three little Rotts.....:o)

Stay safe !


371 posted on 01/30/2006 7:16:18 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Future Snake Eater

HK USP bump


372 posted on 01/30/2006 7:16:19 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero)
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To: Double Tap
Not to quibble, but I don't see how this:
"I can't count the number of times some guy in IPSC matches would blow a case in his 1911 from a double charge of powder."
Should damn the 1911 - a double charge of powder is likely to disrupt anything it's loaded into. And, although I've erred myself at times, double charging (or loading with the primer all by itself) generally means the guy should be looking for another hobby.

(Worst I ever saw was a guy blowing up his absolutely beautiful refinished M-1 using ammo he'd borrowed from a friend - last seen hightailing it away from the range.)

373 posted on 01/30/2006 7:41:19 AM PST by norton
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To: norton
Nowhere in there did I try to damn the 1911. That being one of two handguns I actually trust.

I was trying to point out that most pistols are susceptible to case failures from poor reloading, not just the Glock.

374 posted on 01/30/2006 8:02:08 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: MonroeDNA
.45 GAP ( Glock design ) is also a good choice
Same power as the ACP but more compact
375 posted on 01/30/2006 8:10:06 AM PST by 1903A3
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To: 1L

There are certain 9 loads that are every bit as effective as the .40 and .45.

I disagree. (then one can also boost the .45's and .40 to higher performance)

I agree that they have the 9's have their place as a back up piece.

I would agree that the .357sig or magnum is superior. I prefer revolvers for strength and accuracy over semi autos.

The perps that were hit with 9mm rounds stayed alive, long after they were hit in Miami. that is a fact. a subsonic 9mm with a heavy bullet might have done a better job than the light supersonic loads. you sometimes need the weight and inertia of a heavy bullet to take down a heavily muscled heavily clothed individual..the GI's who had shot japanese in WWII with the pipsqueek M1 Carbine in .30 carbine were surprised to see the same rounds not stop the bigger bodied North Korean and Chinese soldiers dressed in heavy quilted winter garb.

Just my $0.02


376 posted on 01/30/2006 2:24:20 PM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: Vaquero
I read a detailed account of the Miami shootout by Masaad Ayoob. He pointed out that the 9mm rounds performed well. They literally tore the aorta off one of the guys.

The fact is there are some people who will keep fighting even after suffering a mortal hit.

Energy is the most important thing and the 9, 40 and 45 are similar in energy.

All other things being equal I would choose the larger caliber but the difference is not great as long as energy is the same.

377 posted on 01/30/2006 3:57:23 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Vaquero

Please post the evidence that the guys in the FBI shootouts were hit with 9s first and not rounds by the other officers who had .357s and .38s. But even if you are correct, you are talking about events that occured in 1986 when most FBI agents didn't carry SA handguns.

You can disagree with factual information if you want, but its rather silly. If you know someone is going to shoot you with something and you have the choice of deciding either the round they use or their shot placement, the only sensible decision would be to go for the latter.

Check out this article:

http://web.archive.org/web/20021230032300/http://www.sportshooter.com/gear/tlg_9mmadvocacy.htm


378 posted on 01/30/2006 4:18:20 PM PST by 1L
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To: MonroeDNA
Are they going to sell the old nines?

One of my first thoughts. You can bet the Demo-Commies will be whining immediately about putting more handguns on the street if they decide to do so. Also, you have to wonder about how worn these guns would be. They've already had 20 years of military use. I'd want an MP pistol if they become available.

379 posted on 01/30/2006 4:30:19 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Bush spied so that no one died.)
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To: Hardastarboard

You can make book that these will be dissassembled and
the recievers cut up. The grips, barrels, and etc might
survive to get sold to some scrap dealer, along with the spare parts.


380 posted on 01/30/2006 8:22:57 PM PST by rahbert
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