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Lab fireball 'may be black hole'
BBC news ^ | BBC

Posted on 01/19/2006 1:53:38 PM PST by djf

A fireball created in a US particle accelerator has the characteristics of a black hole, a physicist has said.

It was generated at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) in New York, US, which smashes beams of gold nuclei together at near light speeds.

Horatiu Nastase says his calculations show that the core of the fireball has a striking similarity to a black hole.

His work has been published on the pre-print website arxiv.org and is reported in New Scientist magazine.

When the gold nuclei smash into each other they are broken down into particles called quarks and gluons.

These form a ball of plasma about 300 times hotter than the surface of the Sun. This fireball, which lasts just 10 million, billion, billionths of a second, can be detected because it absorbs jets of particles produced by the beam collisions.

But Nastase, of Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, says there is something unusual about it.

Ten times as many jets were being absorbed by the fireball as were predicted by calculations.

The Brown researcher thinks the particles are disappearing into the fireball's core and reappearing as thermal radiation, just as matter is thought to fall into a black hole and come out as "Hawking" radiation.

However, even if the ball of plasma is a black hole, it is not thought to pose a threat. At these energies and distances, gravity is not the dominant force in a black hole.

The RHIC is sited at the Brookhaven National Laboratory.


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KEYWORDS: physics; science; space
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To: All

Ya know, we're all obsessing over a black hole, but it may not be a black hole at all. The point is we don't know what they did (nor do they, really).


41 posted on 01/19/2006 2:07:24 PM PST by farlander
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To: djf

Last Updated: Thursday, 17 March, 2005, 11:30 GMT


42 posted on 01/19/2006 2:07:57 PM PST by neutrality
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To: InsureAmerica

I thought this was about Shiela Jackson Lee.


43 posted on 01/19/2006 2:08:09 PM PST by oxcart (Remember Bush lied.......People DYED... THEIR FINGERS!)
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To: djf
Frankly I think we should mess with stuff like this. It may very well be the next source of energy. And, we need energy...
44 posted on 01/19/2006 2:08:33 PM PST by chaos_5
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To: oldleft; jbwbubba

Or Jack Bauer, for sure.


45 posted on 01/19/2006 2:09:02 PM PST by farlander
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To: phatoldphart

I guess they sort of evaporate by emitting radiation.

Whether they evaporate or not, I still don't want my next door neighbor to have one in his toolshed...


46 posted on 01/19/2006 2:09:08 PM PST by djf
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To: dirtboy

"mother of all real estate bubble pops" Real Estate agent: "better buy quick this stuff is disappearing quicker than I can sell it".


47 posted on 01/19/2006 2:09:55 PM PST by nomorelurker (wetraginhell)
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To: Netheron
The real reason it is safe is that the evaporation effect from Hawking radiation is so fast that it dissolves before it becomes a threat.

Thank you. To read this article, you'd think it was still in existence, sitting in the lab, getting ready to eat the lab, then Brookhaven, then New York, and finally Hillary, before it chokes.

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48 posted on 01/19/2006 2:09:59 PM PST by Nick Danger (www.vvlf.org)
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To: djf
The place to look for man made black holes is at the center of the earth.

I wonder how long it would take a black hole to devour the earth?

49 posted on 01/19/2006 2:10:42 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Termite_Commander

That's exactly what they're attempting to make!


50 posted on 01/19/2006 2:10:48 PM PST by brivette
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To: hosepipe

it's obvious you've never watched the olympics..


51 posted on 01/19/2006 2:12:04 PM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
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To: randog
"There was an interesting show on the National Geographic channel a few weeks ago that posed various end-of-the-world scenarios, the final one being the creation of a black hole in the laboratory. Great special effects."

I saw that. I was like Ground Hog Day. (the movie)

52 posted on 01/19/2006 2:12:19 PM PST by blam
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To: djf

But Nastase, of Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, says there is something unusual about it.

Lets throw all our nuclear waste into it and see what happens???

Maybe it is the solution to our Atomic waste problems....?

If it works we can throw our garbage in next and then Nancy Pelosi!!!


53 posted on 01/19/2006 2:13:31 PM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: Nick Danger
and finally Hillary, before it chokes.

I think the nearest black hole that could stuff Hillary's thighs past its singularity is over in Andromeda.

54 posted on 01/19/2006 2:15:37 PM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: djf
A fireball created in a US particle accelerator has the characteristics of a black hole, a physicist has said.

Shut the experiment down!! NOW!!

As much I am for the research in science, And we should shutdown ANY project that could create a stringlet or micro-singulary. Because if such a thing was created, IT WOULD DESTROY THE EARTH!!

55 posted on 01/19/2006 2:18:14 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: djf

I think we can safely say that this phenominon might not reach certain qualifications for a black hole, but I'll bet it sure meets one. Not a single government dollar sucked into this motha will be seen again.

Enough for the jokes. Seems to me we're flirting with some dynamics that have questions for which we have very little answers. Is it possible to jump-start a black-hole that is self-sustaining?

What is the tipping point for such a thing?


56 posted on 01/19/2006 2:18:37 PM PST by DoughtyOne (01/11/06: Ted Kennedy becomes the designated driver and moral spokesperson for the Democrat party.)
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To: djf
This fireball, which lasts just 10 million, billion, billionths of a second...

...of course, that's rounded to the nearest million, billion, billionths

57 posted on 01/19/2006 2:18:46 PM PST by PrivateIdaho
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To: djf

And since we're on the subject of black holes, let me relate my "Hell is a black hole theory"-- :)

First, the Bible teaches that the earth appeared in space time, and the God "stretched out the Heavens like a tent", on the first day. So a thin film of space was stretched around the earth, exposing it. It had liquid water on it on day one, so the temperature was pretty comfortable.

So God says "Let there be light", and adds energy to space, which stretches out, and reflects some of the energy it can't absorb as light energy, which is why the stars and sun aren't mentioned till day 4. (The light would have been blinding to the human eye. After 3 days, the light dissipated enough to make out the sun/stars)

So, that means that earth is actually at the dead spatial center of the universe. Now, when God destroys this universe, the Bible says the "Heavens (space), roll up like a scroll." Death is "swallowed up". Space, which took a day to expand out to the outer regions of the universe, will also collapse back to the center (earth) in a single day. Apparently, space has no temporal component.

Okay, notice in 2nd Peter, hell is called the "storm of darkness". It is also called the bottomless pit. It is a place of darkness (photons ripped apart by extreme gravity), and notice that whenever Satan's judgement in the future is mentioned- it always mentions him being crushed. "Satan will soon be crushed under your feet" (center of earth will be dead center of singularity formation. The seed of the woman (Jesus), will "crush the head of the serpent". The antichrist has his head crushed in battle.

What is referred to as the "Lake of fire" in heaven I believe is a portal into the event horizon of this (not yet formed) hole. Jesus talked about a valley (event horizon) that no one can cross from Hell into Heaven.

So God's plan, I believe is to find all those who actually want to live with Him, and collect them up for Heaven and the new Universe, and all others will be made to stay here and deal with a universe without God. One that will collapse around them. Can a black hole trap a spirit? A spirit is basically living information. No information can exit a hole.Does time proceed as normal in a hole? Apparently so, according to the Bible. From our point of view, their time would appear to stop.

So instead of being a place of torture, hell could simply be God's way of separating people, and He's warning us not to be left behind.


58 posted on 01/19/2006 2:18:50 PM PST by warpcorebreach
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To: djf

If it didn't suck up the whole galaxy, it can't be a black hole. Must be more of a plaid hole.

Or perhaps we're just at the event horizon...


59 posted on 01/19/2006 2:18:58 PM PST by Buck W. (Yesterday's Intelligentsia are today's Irrelevantsia.)
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To: djf

funniest thread in days. LOL.


60 posted on 01/19/2006 2:21:37 PM PST by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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