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Neanderthal Man Floated Into Europe, Say Spanish Researchers
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 1-16-2006 | Giles Tremlett

Posted on 01/16/2006 3:13:24 PM PST by blam

Neanderthal man floated into Europe, say Spanish researchers

Giles Tremlett in Madrid
Monday January 16, 2006

The Guardian (UK)

Spanish investigators believe they may have found proof that neanderthal man reached Europe from Africa not just via the Middle East but by sailing, swimming or floating across the Strait of Gibraltar.

Prehistoric remains of hunter-gatherer communities found at a site known as La Cabililla de Benzú, in the Spanish north African enclave of Ceuta, are remarkably similar to those found in southern Spain, investigators said.

Stone tools at the site correspond to the middle palaeolithic period, when neanderthal man emerged, and resemble those found across Spain.

"This could break the paradigm of most investigators, who have refused to believe in any contact in the palaeolithic era between southern Europe and northern Africa," investigator José Ramos explained in the University of Cadiz's research journal. Although the scientists have not yet reached definite conclusions, they say the evidence that neanderthal man mastered some primitive techniques for crossing the sea into Europe from the coast near Ceuta looks promising.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: ancientnavigation; godsgravesglyphs; navigation; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; spain; straitofgibraltar
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1 posted on 01/16/2006 3:13:27 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 01/16/2006 3:14:09 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

I thought Spain and N. Africa were joined during the first half of the Middle Paleolithic and that the Mediterranean was a dry lowlands.


3 posted on 01/16/2006 3:15:24 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv

Or a low wetlands, better yet, but in any case not a sea (that one would need float over..)


4 posted on 01/16/2006 3:16:09 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: blam

5 posted on 01/16/2006 3:16:50 PM PST by lormand (Close the border...the US/Kalifornia border.)
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To: blam

Well that explains the Liberals in Europe!


6 posted on 01/16/2006 3:17:09 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: blam

Algore is best known for floating back...singing "Neanderthal Sunset"


7 posted on 01/16/2006 3:18:43 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: AntiGuv

I understand it was more of a very wet swamp.

Regardless, that area has been so thoroughly inhabited for so long, I would think any primative encampment would be nigh impossible to uncover.


8 posted on 01/16/2006 3:19:16 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: blam

9 posted on 01/16/2006 3:22:04 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: blam

"Neanderthal Man Floated Into Europe"


And his name was Ted Kennedy


10 posted on 01/16/2006 3:26:17 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: MeanWestTexan

That's long been a point of confusion for me. My understanding is that the Sahara was a grassland until a relatively modern era - modern enough that hominid rock drawings indicate as much - and that the Mediterranean basin was closed on the western end as well. If recollection serves, it was the flooding of the Mediterranean that is held to have changed the climate of the Sahara and turned it into desert. Yet, I've never seen any hominid migration routes that just cross over the Sahara and Mediterranean into Europe.

Of course, plenty of critters don't walk someplace just because they can. They keep to their range for one reason or other, and hominids definitely had a range during the epochs in question, but it's just a little point of confusion on my part. I'm not sure I have the timelines right in my head.


11 posted on 01/16/2006 3:27:36 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: blam
Neanderthal man floated into Europe,...

and he thought he was just going on a three hour cruise.

... a three hour cruise.

12 posted on 01/16/2006 3:37:21 PM PST by C210N (Bush SPYED, Terrorists DIED!)
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To: blam
Neanderthal man floated into Europe

And whence the term "floater" was born.

13 posted on 01/16/2006 3:38:38 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: blam
by sailing, swimming or floating

I find the first two plausible...but the third has me puzzled.

But than again...I'm only doing the straight lines tonight.

14 posted on 01/16/2006 3:42:23 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I'm not a curmudgeon!!!! I've just been in a bad mood since '73)
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Well, it seems to me that sailing indicates some kind of directed propulsion whereas floating is just launching yourself for whatever reason and going wherever the waves and wind take you.


15 posted on 01/16/2006 3:45:51 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: blam
Here is an interactive site that presents human (and Neanderthal) progress from 200,000 BC.

Interactive maps, and mitochondrial and Y-chromosome migration routes over time.

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html

no mention of a Gibraltar crossing by Neanderthals.
16 posted on 01/16/2006 3:49:42 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: AntiGuv
" If recollection serves, it was the flooding of the Mediterranean that is held to have changed the climate of the Sahara and turned it into desert. "

The Mediterranean Ocean has dried out more than 40 times however, the last time was 5 million years ago. There is salt two miles thick on the bottom that was formed by drying in sunlight

Now, it is my opinion that the Med was blocked at Gilbralter during the Ice Age and the water level in the Med was greatly reduced, that would have allowed Neanderthal to walk across.

This theory would have allowed for large areas of the Mediterranean to have been dry and also contain a larger number of islands during the long period of the Ice Age.
If Atlantis was in this area, the flood waters, earthquakes, volcanos and tsunamis at the end of the Ice Age would have wrecked it and sent it below the inflowing water. The timing would be about right and the flooding into the Med would have columinated with the (Now documented) Black Sea flood.

17 posted on 01/16/2006 3:51:58 PM PST by blam
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To: AntiGuv
Well, it seems to me that sailing indicates some kind of directed propulsion whereas floating is just launching yourself for whatever reason and going wherever the waves and wind take you.

OK...I'll buy that.

I do have a problem with a hominid just launching off into the sea on a log..or log raft. Neanderthals weren't essentially stupid or reckless.

My thoughts go here. The Neanderthal in all probability had no sail....nor did they have any ability for navigation.....they certainly couldn't swim that far.

Island to island seems plausible....however...

and please excuse me....I'm just trying to catch up a bit.

I think it was a long walk.

18 posted on 01/16/2006 3:57:11 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I'm not a curmudgeon!!!! I've just been in a bad mood since '73)
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To: AntiGuv

The first Neanderthal was a "Homeless Drifter".


19 posted on 01/16/2006 4:21:17 PM PST by joshhiggins
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To: edwin hubble; Coyoteman
I believe there is one species of humans and we can/could all interbreed, we are Neanderthals and any differences in humans today (as in the past) are due to regional variations.
Modern humans are differentiated from Neanderthals, Homo-Erectus and other 'archaic' humans by physical measurements of their bodily features.
Now, if we say that everyone alive today is a Modern Human, that presents a problem. If we measure the features of all humans alive on the earth today, the range of features easily include Neanderthals, Homo-Erectus and even some 'Archaic' humans...The differences are regional.

Some of the Australian Aboriginies have brow ridges that are more 'severe' that the Neanderthals, yet we call them moderns but, not so Neanderthals.

I think Wolpoff, Sharpe and Hu (the Multiregionalist) have it correct, we are all one with regional differences

Journey Of Mankind (Modern Humans)

20 posted on 01/16/2006 4:39:40 PM PST by blam
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