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Glum Democrats Can't See Halting Bush on Courts
New York Times ^ | 01/14/2006 | Adam Nagourney, Richard W. Stevenson, Neil A. Lewis

Posted on 01/15/2006 7:08:47 AM PST by KCRW

Disheartened by the administration's success with the Supreme Court nomination of Judge Samuel A. Alito Jr., Democratic leaders say that President Bush is putting an enduring conservative ideological imprint on the nation's judiciary, and that they see little hope of holding off the tide without winning back control of the Senate or the White House.

In interviews, Democrats said the lesson of the Alito hearings was that this White House could put on the bench almost any qualified candidate, even one whom Democrats consider to be ideologically out of step with the country.

That conclusion amounts to a repudiation of a central part of a strategy Senate Democrats settled on years ago in a private retreat where they discussed how to fight a Bush White House effort to recast the judiciary: to argue against otherwise qualified candidates by saying they would take the courts too far to the right.

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KEYWORDS: 109th; alito; alitohearings; democrats; depresseddems
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To: KCRW

Come November and the elections, they'll paint Alito and Roberts as extreme right wingers. They'll concentrate on Abramoff scandals, Bush's so-called usurpation of power, spying on phone calls, etc.. (The imperial presidency.) One pundit said recently on Fox that some 15 congressional seats were up for grabs, but that dems had a realistic chance for only 7 of them. The republicans would retain control unless the dems can paint all of them as crooks. Dem strategists are plotting to do just that.


21 posted on 01/15/2006 7:25:52 AM PST by hershey
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To: KCRW

That idiot in the WH whooped 'em agin.


22 posted on 01/15/2006 7:25:52 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: hershey
Dem strategists are plotting to do just that.

And I have one word for those Dem strategists: Kelo.

23 posted on 01/15/2006 7:27:05 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: KCRW

The Democrats are in a bind on this, as many of us tried to tell some of the more nervous types here during the Miers near-debacle. People kept saying President Bush needs to nominate a stealth candidate with unknown views and no record of standing firm on the Constitution because the Democrats would Bork a truly great nominee.

But they can't Bork a nominee when they don't control the Senate, and may not even be able to if they did. Borking only works for sure when the Democrats control the Senate AND when there's a liberal media monopoly. Bork was successfully Borked because when he was nominated there was no FOX News, no conservative talk radio, no internet, and limited cable penetration.

Yes, the Democrats controlled the Senate when Bork came up, which helped the left, but they also controlled the Senate when Thomas was nominated a few years later. But the vicious smear of Thomas failed. Why? Because by then cable was more deeply ingrained in our culture and people actually watched the hearings, plus by then the Rush Limbaugh-driven talk radio revolution had blossomed. The Rats smeared Bork and there was no way for Bork to fight back. Not so for Thomas

It's even worse for the Rats now with FOX News, the internet, and other outlets which have broken the liberal media monopoly the Rats need to Bork someone. Imagine Teddy Kennedy's CAP smear being unleashed in the mid-80's. It would have gotten enormous traction since anyone trying to counter his lies would run into a brick wall trying to find an outlet to get their message to the public. All the public would hear would be CBS, ABC, NBC, Time, Newsweek, the NY Times, AP, and UPI repeating the smear over and over. But in 2006 the smear was exposed as a smear within hours. By the next morning, millions upon millions of Americans knew that Ted was lying.

These hearings, which the Rats once benefitted from, are now detrimental to them. Most people, upon seeing the likes of Dick Durbin or Chuck Schumer grilling someone, will side with the person being grilled. The Rats have lost their media monopoly, which they relied on the spin the hearings their way. Today, people not only hear another spin from guys like Rush, but they see the hearings themselves. This is why Biden wants to scrap the hearings.


24 posted on 01/15/2006 7:38:01 AM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: DoughtyOne
That is why they are called Dumbacrats.
25 posted on 01/15/2006 7:41:03 AM PST by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: puroresu
They are in a bind now, because they know that the nuclear option is like the sword of Damocles hanging over them if they try to filibuster. However, if they pick up some Senate seats and a couple of RINOs get soft, that could change.
26 posted on 01/15/2006 7:41:55 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: YOUGOTIT
even one whom Democrats consider to be ideologically out of step with the country

Leftists still remain in denial and try to talk around the political reality that Republicans speak for a majority of Americans.
27 posted on 01/15/2006 7:42:30 AM PST by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: BenLurkin
Someday they may get another anti-American hack into office and we'll be inflicted with more ACLU lawyers on the bench.

Those days are over.

28 posted on 01/15/2006 7:47:44 AM PST by PGalt
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To: KCRW
Alito dissented from the majority only an average of two times a year during his tenure on the Third circuit. This was fewer times than several of his colleagues. If that isn't "mainstream" I don't know what is. And where, by implication, does that leave the 'rats?
29 posted on 01/15/2006 7:48:04 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: KCRW

We can all pray that the jerks at the New York Slimes get depressed enough to off themselves...

Traitorous Leftist bastards...

Semper Fi


30 posted on 01/15/2006 7:48:09 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: puroresu
This is why Biden wants to scrap the hearings.

Yet another school of thought thinks that Biden wants to scrap hearings because a floor debate denies nominees the power to immediately defend themselves against vicious gossip and untrue rumors by answering questions.
31 posted on 01/15/2006 7:49:57 AM PST by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: carlr

The White House should be able to put ANY qualified candidate it wants on the court.


32 posted on 01/15/2006 7:53:00 AM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: ANGGAPO

Agreed.


33 posted on 01/15/2006 7:55:15 AM PST by DoughtyOne (01/11/06: Ted Kennedy becomes the designated driver and moral spokesperson for the Democrat party.)
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To: Milhous

Yes, but that's to allow the Rats to avoid the very situation I described. Namely, the fact that people now watch the hearings and hear another spin on them as well.

If there are no hearings, the public won't see the nominee being mistreated, nor will the nominee be present to respond. Thomas, Roberts, and Alito all benefitted from being abused on national television by the arrogant, dishonest, and ignorant Democrat senators, and then responding in a manner the public liked.


34 posted on 01/15/2006 7:55:54 AM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: carlr

Is there something wrong with putting a qualified candidate on the court?


35 posted on 01/15/2006 8:00:54 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: puroresu
It's even worse for the Rats now with FOX News, the internet, and other outlets which have broken the liberal media monopoly the Rats need to Bork someone. Imagine Teddy Kennedy's CAP smear being unleashed in the mid-80's. It would have gotten enormous traction since anyone trying to counter his lies would run into a brick wall trying to find an outlet to get their message to the public. All the public would hear would be CBS, ABC, NBC, Time, Newsweek, the NY Times, AP, and UPI repeating the smear over and over. But in 2006 the smear was exposed as a smear within hours. By the next morning, millions upon millions of Americans knew that Ted was lying.

This is exactly the result of the de-massification of the media that Alvin Toffler prophesized way back in 1979 in his book The Third Wave. Toffler said that as communications technologies improve, the hammerlock hold of information dissemination by the mass media will come to an end. The rise of conservative talk radio since the late 1980's, the rise of proprietary online services in the late 1980's then the public Internet since the middle 1990's, and the near-universal availability of cable TV has made it possible for people to do end-runs around the MSM.

You'd think the MSM would have learned that lesson after the Jayson Blair fiasco at the New York Times that brought down Howell Raines and Gerald Boyd there; the inability of Senator Kerry to stop the Swift Boat Veterans during the 2004 Presidential campaign, the Rathergate fiasco in September 2004, and fall of Eason Jordan at CNN late in 2004 has shown how woefully out of touch the MSM is nowadays.

36 posted on 01/15/2006 8:03:38 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: KCRW

Even with Alito it is still 5 liberals to 4 conservatives.


37 posted on 01/15/2006 8:05:17 AM PST by Zechariah11 (30 shekels -- a contemptible price for the Good Shepherd of Israel)
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To: ANGGAPO; DoughtyOne
That is why they are called Dumbacrats.

I call them "damnocrats."

38 posted on 01/15/2006 8:06:58 AM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." Mel Gibson)
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To: sgtbono2002

I don`t think I suggested there was.


39 posted on 01/15/2006 8:07:44 AM PST by carlr
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To: kstewskis

Not to be confused with dam no crats...


40 posted on 01/15/2006 8:07:46 AM PST by DoughtyOne (01/11/06: Ted Kennedy becomes the designated driver and moral spokesperson for the Democrat party.)
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