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The Religion of Science (Evolution as Faith!)
CHJ ^ | Jan 14, 2006 | Nathan Tabor

Posted on 01/13/2006 8:24:51 PM PST by WatchYourself

How can someone observe, study or experiment on evolution? Evolution is the process of something moving from one stage of development to another. What do we really have to scientifically prove evolution?

A scientist might have a fossil, but we can only speculate as to the age and appearance of the animal creating that fossil. No one has ever witnessed evolution of life, no one here now was there to observe, study and experiment. Like it or not, we can only form theories and beliefs about what might have been. As sound as these theories might be, they are and will always be theories. Evolution is simply a system of belief based on what we think might have happened. Those who believe in evolution have faith in the scientist’s abilities to speculate and imagine what might have been. This is not science. This is faith.

It is time we removed the phony and inaccurate label of ‘science’ from evolution and see it for what it really is - a religion, based on faith and a system of belief. If public schools are not allowed to teach religion, then the theories of evolution have no place in a public school classroom. If they are allowed to teach theories based on faith, like evolution, then creationism should be taught also.

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I agree, teach neither or both.
1 posted on 01/13/2006 8:24:54 PM PST by WatchYourself
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To: WatchYourself

Another case of classic projection of themselves onto Evolution by creationists.

So this clown wants to proclaim anyone that studies anything that has ever happened prior to the present is not a scientist? Hilarious.


2 posted on 01/13/2006 8:27:59 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: WatchYourself

How do you observe, study or formulate religion?


3 posted on 01/13/2006 8:30:18 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: WatchYourself
It is time we removed the phony and inaccurate label of ‘science’ from evolution and see it for what it really is - a religion, based on faith and a system of belief.

Not trying to start a fight, but not all science is subject to direct experiment. When a phenomenon - in this case, life on Earth - can't be tinkered with, we have to settle for a strictly empirical approach. Let's teach kids what we've observed, nothing more... including no mention of a creator. That's reading something into the data.

5 posted on 01/13/2006 8:32:13 PM PST by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: WatchYourself
alchemy and chemistry

Astrology and astronomy

Ptolemy and Galileo

6 posted on 01/13/2006 8:35:49 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: WatchYourself

This has always been my objection to the way that evolution has been taught in schools and universities. Darwinistic evolution is a THEORY, and while some parts are fact, it is being taught as an official government belief system rather than a theory. Evolution as a process is documentable in many circumstances, and I would vastly prefer for schools to teach it as one aspect of a cluster of scientific phenomena. Unfortunately, it is being taught as a monolithic belief system, a closed process devoid of all freshness, discussion or reason.

In making evolution a cause rather than a theory, the educational establishment has devolved evolution from science to secular religion...


7 posted on 01/13/2006 8:38:56 PM PST by dandelion
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To: WatchYourself
I disagree. Both are true inasfar as truth goes.

Our minds are hardwired to operate in a world where one event interacts with another event to beget a subsequent event through time - that's evolution.

But our little pea brain minds are not wired to comprehend the creation of something out of nothing - that's religion.

What's the beef?
8 posted on 01/13/2006 8:41:15 PM PST by the final gentleman
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To: bobbdobbs
Here's a criticism of evolution that I need your help to shoot down:

An evolution of an animal from one species to another species (e.g. turtle to bird) is actually made up of numerous mini-evolutions of all the biological systems (skeletal, circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, digestive, etc) within that animal. Since all these biological systems are integrated together and depend on one another then each of these mini-evolutions would need to be coordinated with the other evolving systems. The odds for this to happen in one species let alone the entire spectrum of animals and plants is beyond statistically possible.
9 posted on 01/13/2006 8:48:08 PM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: WatchYourself
It is time we removed the phony and inaccurate label of ‘science’ from evolution and see it for what it really is - a religion, based on faith and a system of belief.

The only folks on the current political scene who disagree with the theory of evolution in this manner get their impetus from the bible, particularly the creation story.

10 posted on 01/13/2006 8:48:43 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: stuartcr
How do you observe, study or formulate religion?

I think that his post is obvious, you don't study, observe or formulate Christianity(which I assume is his/her religion)nor do you study, formulate or observe evolution.

This is the way I see it. I neither endorse evolution or ID.

I know, evos and christians will say I am lying but I believe it is the truth and here is how I see it: Religion is based on an invisible force, this force created all life on earth and accounts for the changes in the species. This force is all powerful and is taken on faith because there is little proof that this force exists. The force is called God.

Darwinism is base on an invisible force, this force created all life on earth and accounts for the changes in the species(phyla, order, family etc) and is all powerful and taken on faith because there is little proof that this force exists. The force is called evolution.

In both cases the force is what drives the universe, and of course life on earth, and is still manipulating things.

Christians readily admit that their force must be taken on faith, evos say that they have proof but fail to produce it, producing instead evidence that relies on speculation and theory. Saying things like "dinos were begining to experiment with flight during this period". This is a stupid statement because if evoluition is true, then the dinos, or any other speices, did not experiment with anything, it was thrust upon them by the mysterious force called evolution.

Both of these theories, and they are both theories, are based on faith, both are, basically, unproven, and both are a religion.

There is very little difference between Christianity and evolution. Actually, none if you study both theories and look at them closely. The over riding factor in both of them as far as I am concerned is that both of them are false. Neither have evidence that their theory is correct, neither prove anything. They are both wrong and I await the correct hypothesis of how life got here and how it changed over the millions of years the earth has been here, until then both christians and evos can suck an egg as far as I am concerned.

12 posted on 01/13/2006 8:51:24 PM PST by calex59
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To: Mulch
An evolution of an animal from one species to another species (e.g. turtle to bird) is actually made up of numerous mini-evolutions of all the biological systems (skeletal, circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, digestive, etc) within that animal. Since all these biological systems are integrated together and depend on one another then each of these mini-evolutions would need to be coordinated with the other evolving systems. The odds for this to happen in one species let alone the entire spectrum of animals and plants is beyond statistically possible.

This relies on an incorrect version of "evolution."

Each generation is minutely different from the previous one.

Each generation is the result of those who (1) survived and (2) reproduced.

These minute changes in the genome add up over time. Any changes which are deleterious (fatal) are, well...fatal! Out of the game. Any changes which are neutral or beneficial are retained to possibly (1) survive and (2) reproduce.

To say that "The odds for this to happen in one species let alone the entire spectrum of animals and plants is beyond statistically possible" is to beg the question. Either you support the theory of evolution, with minute changes adding up to large changes over time, in which case the statistics are meaningless, or you believe that evolution couldn't happen as theorized, in which case statistics are a possible tool against the theory.

And you know, those who think statistics are against evolution -- they're against evolution from the beginning. Statistics are just a wedge to try to gain some traction.

14 posted on 01/13/2006 8:56:36 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: calex59
Darwinism is base on an invisible force, this force created all life on earth and accounts for the changes in the species(phyla, order, family etc) and is all powerful and taken on faith because there is little proof that this force exists. The force is called evolution.

Evolution is not a "force". Evolution is a process that is inevitable when given a population of imperfect self-replicators and changing environments. Either that or extinction.
15 posted on 01/13/2006 8:56:44 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: muir_redwoods
I looked at your profile after reading your post here.

The name Da Vinci is meaningless, you might consider citing Leonardo.

I actually did take a course in Astronomy once upon a time.

The Ptolemaic solution was found wanting just as were the works of Brahe, Newton, Galileo, and a host of others.

I took that course as sort of a lark. I never considered that I'd have to do real work by taking such a class.

I leaned a lot that year, and I'd advise anyone to take a university course in astronomy if they really want to learn a few new things.
18 posted on 01/13/2006 9:01:15 PM PST by Radix (Welcome home 3 ID!)
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To: Kuiper
Evolution is the religion of self-absorbed. Atheists refuse to acknowledge God, so they make up evolution.

Geology is the religion of self-absorbed. Atheists refuse to acknowledge God, so they make up geology.

Sedimentology is the religion of self-absorbed. Atheists refuse to acknowledge God, so they make up sedimentology.

Palynology is the religion of self-absorbed. Atheists refuse to acknowledge God, so they make up palynology.

Astronomy is the religion of self-absorbed. Atheists refuse to acknowledge God, so they make up astronomy.

Biology is the religion of self-absorbed. Atheists refuse to acknowledge God, so they make up biology.

Microbiology is the religion of self-absorbed. Atheists refuse to acknowledge God, so they make up microbiology.

N-ology is the religion of self-absorbed. Atheists refuse to acknowledge God, so they make up n-ology.

19 posted on 01/13/2006 9:03:10 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Dimensio
Evolution is not a "force". Evolution is a process that is inevitable when given a population of imperfect self-replicators and changing environments. Either that or extinction.

Evolution must be a force because it has been proven that outside influences(such as cold etc) do not change a species but merely emphasize the variation within a species.

For instance if I cut off my index finger and all my progeny cut theirs off, my g, g, g, g, g, great grandchildren would still be born with index fingers. This has been known for many, many years but some evos still try to survival of the fittest drives evolution, it doesn't and has been proven.

Breed a species for instance for one characteristic and if you breed long enough you won't come up with a new species(as had been thought originally) but will wind up with the original species.

Evolution, to work as it is theorized, has to be a force, and unknown one, but still an invisible force. Try to warp it as you will, it is just as myterious and unknown as any religion.

20 posted on 01/13/2006 9:05:08 PM PST by calex59
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