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It's God or Darwin
National Review Online ^ | 12/21/'05 | David Klinghoffer

Posted on 12/21/2005 2:06:09 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator

Competing Designs

Tuesday's ruling by a federal judge in Pennsylvania, disparaging intelligent design as a religion-based and therefore false science, raises an important question: If ID is bogus because many of its theorists have religious beliefs to which the controversial critique of Darwinism lends support, then what should we say about Darwinism itself? After all, many proponents of Darwinian evolution have philosophical beliefs to which Darwin lends support.

"We conclude that the religious nature of Intelligent Design would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child," wrote Judge John E. Jones III in his decision, Kitzmiller v. Dover, which rules that criticizing Darwin's theory in biology class is unconstitutional. Is it really true that only Darwinism, in contrast to ID, represents a disinterested search for the truth, unmotivated by ideology?

Judge Jones was especially impressed by the testimony of philosophy professor Barbara Forrest of Southeastern Louisiana University, author of Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design. Professor Forrest has definite beliefs about religion, evident from the fact that she serves on the board of directors of the New Orleans Secular Humanist Association, which is "an affiliate of American Atheists, and [a] member of the Atheist Alliance International," according to the group's website. Of course, she's entitled to believe what she likes, but it's worth noting.

Religion and Smallpox
Other leading Darwinian advocates not only reject religion but profess disgust for it and frankly admit a wish to see it suppressed. Lately I've been collecting published thoughts on religion from pro-Darwin partisans. Professional scholars, they have remarkable things to say especially about Christianity. Let these disinterested seekers of the truth speak for themselves.

My favorite is Tufts University's Daniel C. Dennett. In his highly regarded Darwin's Dangerous Idea, he tells why it might be necessary to confine conservative Christians in zoos. It's because Bible-believing Baptists, in particular, may tolerate "the deliberate misinforming of children about the natural world." In other words, they may doubt Darwin. This cannot stand! "Safety demands that religion be put in cages," explains Dennett, "when absolutely necessary....The message is clear: those who will not accommodate, who will not temper, who insist on keeping only the purest and wildest strains of their heritage alive, we will be obliged, reluctantly, to cage or disarm, and we will do our best to disable the memes they fight for."

In an essay, "Is Science a Religion?", Oxford biologist Richard Dawkins is frank enough. Perhaps the leading figure on the Darwin side, he forthrightly states that "faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." He equates God with an "imaginary friend" and baptism with child abuse. In his book The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe without Design, Dawkins observed that Darwin "made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist."

There is Nobel laureate Steven Weinberg, of the University of Texas, who defended Darwinism before the Texas State Board of Education in 2003. In accepting an award from the Freedom From Religion Foundation,Weinberg didn't hide his own feelings about how science must deliver the fatal blow to religious faith: "I personally feel that the teaching of modern science is corrosive of religious belief, and I'm all for that! One of the things that in fact has driven me in my life, is the feeling that this is one of the great social functions of science — to free people from superstition." When Weinberg's idea of science triumphs, then "this progression of priests and ministers and rabbis and ulamas and imams and bonzes and bodhisattvas will come to an end, [and] we'll see no more of them. I hope that this is something to which science can contribute and if it is, then I think it may be the most important contribution that we can make."

There is University of Minnesota biologist P. Z. Myers, a prominent combatant in the Darwin wars being fought in an archipelago of websites. He links his own site (recently plugged in the prestigious journal Nature) to a "humorous" web film depicting Jesus' flagellation and crucifixion, a speeded-up version of Mel Gibson's Passion, to the accompaniment of the Benny Hill theme music "Yakety Sax," complete with cartoonish sound effects. "Never let it be said that I lack a sense of reverence or an appreciation of Christian mythology," commented this teacher at a state university. In another blog posting, Myers daydreamed about having a time machine that would allow him to go back and eliminate the Biblical patriarch Abraham. Some might argue for using the machine to assassinate other notorious figures of history, but not Myers: "I wouldn't do anything as trivial as using it to take out Hitler."

Then there is the Darwinist chairman of the religious studies department at the University of Kansas, Paul Mirecki. He emerged from obscurity recently when his startlingly crude A HREF="anti-Christian writings came to light. Mirecki's bright idea had been to teach a course about "mythologies," including intelligent design. Things got interesting when it came out that he followed up his announcement by crowing in an e-mail to a list-serve: "The fundies [Christian fundamentalists] want [ID] taught in a science class, but this will be a nice slap in their big fat face by teaching it as a religious studies class under the category 'mythology.'"

Mirecki had previously posted a list-serve message responding to somebody's joke about Pope John Paul II being "a corpse in a funny hat wearing a dress." Mirecki wrote back, "I love it! I refer to him as J2P2 (John Paul II), like the Star Wars robot R2D2."

Administration officials at KU confirmed that the e-mails had come from Mirecki, who also wrote: "I had my first Catholic 'holy communion' when I was a kid in Chicago, and when I took the bread-wafer the first time, it stuck to the roof of my mouth, and as I was secretly trying to pry it off with my tongue as I was walking back to my pew with white clothes and with my hands folded, all I could think was that it was Jesus' skin, and I started to puke, but I sucked it in and drank my own puke. That's a big part of the Catholic experience."

Prudently, the university canceled Mirecki's proposed "mythologies" class and ousted him as department chairman.

I've already reported on NRO about the views expressed by Darwinist staff scientists at the Smithsonian Institution. The nation's museum was roiled last year when the editor of a Smithsonian-affiliated biology journal published a peer-reviewed article favoring intelligent design. His fellow staffers composed emails venting their fury. One e-mailer, figuring the editor must be an ID advocate and therefore (obviously!) a fundamentalist Christian (he is neither), allowed that, "Scientists have been perfectly willing to let these people alone in their churches." Another museum scientist noted how, after "spending 4.5 years in the Bible Belt," he knew all about Christians. He reminisced about the "fun we had" when "my son refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance because of the 'under dog' [meaning 'under God'] part."

God and Darwin
Admittedly, there are those in the Darwin community who argue that Darwinism is compatible with religion. Judge Jones himself, in the Kitzmiller decision, writes that

many of the leading proponents of ID make a bedrock assumption which is utterly false. Their presupposition is that evolutionary theory is antithetical to a belief in the existence of a supreme being and to religion in general. Repeatedly in this trial, plaintiffs' scientific experts testified that the theory of evolution represents good science, is overwhelmingly accepted by the scientific community, and that it in no way conflicts with, nor does it deny, the existence of a divine creator.

Some advocates go further, seeing Darwin as a friend to faith. When I was in New York recently I spent an enjoyable hour at the new Darwin show at the American Museum of Natural History. In the last few yards of exhibit space, before you hit the inevitable gift shop, the museum addresses intelligent design. There's a short film with scientists talking about Darwin and religion, seeking to show that Darwinism actually has religion's best interests in mind. Francis Collins, head of the Human Genome project and a self-identified Christian, says that ID can "potentially [do] great harm to people's faiths." How so? Says Collins: by "putting God in the gaps" — by discovering God's creative powers at the junctures in life's history that science can't so far explain. When science at last finds mechanistic explanations for every presumed miracle, where will that leave God?

Never mind that his view, in which God can be assumed not to operate in the natural world, makes Collins a funny kind of Christian.

Never mind, also, that he inaccurately characterizes ID. The argument for design, whatever merit it may possess, is based on positive evidence, hallmarks of a designer's work. For example, the sudden infusion of genetic information 530 million years, when most of today's animal body plans appeared in the earth's ancient seas.

It should be clear by now that Darwinism makes an unlikely defender of religion's best interests. On the contrary, the ranks of the Darwinistas are replete with opponents of religion.

Does this delegitimize Darwinism as science? Obviously not — no more than ID is delegitimized by the fact that many Christians, Jews, and Muslims are attracted to its interpretation of nature's evidence. Of course, some avowed agnostics also doubt Darwin (e.g. evolutionary biologist Stanley Salthe, molecular biologist Michael Denton, and mathematician David Berlinski who says his only religious principle is "to have a good time all the time"). But there is irony in the way the media generally follow Barbara Forrest's line in portraying ID as a "Trojan Horse" for theism. It would be equally accurate to call Darwin a trojan horse for atheism.

In fact, both Darwin and design have metaphysical implications and are expressions of a certain kind of faith. ID theorists are not willing to submit to the assumption that material stuff is the only reality. Darwinism takes the opposite view, materialism, which assumes there can never be a supernatural reality.

In this it only follows Charles Darwin, who wrote the Origin of Species as an exercise in seeking to explain how life could have got to be the way it is without recourse to divine creative activity. In a pious mode intended to disarm critics, he concluded his book by writing of "laws impressed on matter by the Creator." However readers immediately saw the barely concealed point of the work: to demonstrate there was no need for "laws impressed on matter" by a Creator.

In short, with apologies to Judge Jones, there is no coherent reconciliation between God and Darwin. Attempts to show how we can have both faith in a spiritual reality (religion) and faith in pure materialism (Darwin) always end up vacuuming the essential meaning out of either God or Darwin.

And this, I think, is why some Darwin advocates dislike religion. It's why they fight it with such passion: Because negating religion is the reason behind their belief system. To their credit, they recognize a truth that others prefer not to see. That is: One may choose Darwin or one may choose God.


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To: xzins

"Let me also suggest that if "older morality withers" in the light of a mechanistic universe, that there is no morality that can take its place, since there will be no basis for any morality beyond what individuals or localities happen to choose to enforce for whatever peculiar reasons that drive them at that place and time."

It's very sad that so many people can think of no rational, objective standard to live there lives.

Merry Christmas!


121 posted on 12/23/2005 8:51:01 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; betty boop
[post in #112->> I didn't forget the Constitution, nor did Dennett. It is individual rights he is defending. ]

I say again.. what rights is he defending?...

Get snide with the snidable..

122 posted on 12/23/2005 8:52:24 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

" I say again.. what rights is he defending?..."

The right not to have someone else's religion forced on you.

If you want to know more about what he said, read his book.


123 posted on 12/23/2005 8:55:59 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; P-Marlowe; betty boop

Precisely the point.

Each person will think of his own "rational, objective standard."

Or as the bible says, "Each did what was right in his own eyes."


124 posted on 12/23/2005 8:57:31 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

"Each person will think of his own "rational, objective standard."

Then it won't be objective. Get a dictionary.


125 posted on 12/23/2005 8:58:23 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Zionist Conspirator
You can take the premise of science to its ultimate conclusion and say that definitely there's no God. Well that's false. Materialist determinism was all the rage in the 19th Century since it was assumed science was a closed system, all the important questions had been answered and Nature was an elegant mode of self-contained perfection. Since that time, Kurt Godel showed there is no complete body of knowledge and Werner Heisenberg later demonstrated there are no certain outcomes. Both of those propositions demolished the view of science as a closed system and it doesn't lend itself to an exclusively materialist view of reality. As for Darwin's theory, a number of leading scientists who take it in the former sense of the expression I just mentioned, are atheists or strong agnostics. Then again their views about scientific investigation hasn't changed much in two centuries. That's to their credit if one believes science and religion are incompatible in the sense one or the other view of the great questions of life are incompatible, especially if one reads the Origin to postulate Darwin meant to address epistemological as well as methodological issues. In other words, Darwin had a view about the universe that pronounces on faith and not just on how to investigate natural processes. The only problem is Darwin doesn't say at any point in his work you can draw a wider inference on what true reality looks like as opposed to what can be observed in Nature. So what we really have here is the bias of the true Darwinian believers on display rather than just confining Darwin to the empirical limits of science. You can pass those limits as some of Darwin's advocates are wont to do but only in their minds can we say we can have either science or faith. For the rest of us, the alleged incompatibility is not so evident.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

126 posted on 12/23/2005 9:04:39 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; betty boop
[ The right not to have someone else's religion forced on you. ]

The comment is a mystery to me.. How are christians forcing anybody to do what?.. even if they have a "right" to not be forced to do it.. whatever the it is..

127 posted on 12/23/2005 9:21:06 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
"The comment is a mystery to me.. How are christians forcing anybody to do what?.. even if they have a "right" to not be forced to do it.. whatever the it is.."

You don't think we have a right not to have religion forced on us? How odd.
128 posted on 12/23/2005 9:23:02 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: hosepipe; betty boop

In Saudi Arabia, the newspapers print the names and crimes of everyone executed in the country on a given day. Most are for murder or drug trafficking, but every week at least someone is executed for blasphemy.

Blasphemy, there, means that you deny that Mohammed was the last prophet. This is a crime limited to people who have previously believed or affirmed Mohammed as prophet. Non-muslims are exempt, because they have never believed in him, and so can't be guilty of blasphemy by their rules.

And you can avoid execution at any time by re-affirming your belief in Mohammed. So what former muslim, faced with the swordsman, would still refuse to accept Mohammed, even if only to save his life?

Only a Christian convert, I believe. I am convinced that the people executed for blasphemy there, and it happens every week, are Christian converts.


129 posted on 12/23/2005 9:27:10 AM PST by marron
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To: xzins; betty boop
[ since there will be no basis for any morality beyond what individuals or localities happen to choose to enforce for whatever peculiar reasons that drive them at that place and time. ]

Government and religion is all about enforcing morality..

Jesus however enforces nothing.. He changes the individual not his circumstances.. Morality then comes from the inside out, not from the outside in..

Government and some Most All religion force morality from the outside in.. like paint.. or caulking.. or even stucco..

130 posted on 12/23/2005 9:30:42 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
Jesus however enforces nothing.. He changes the individual not his circumstances.. Morality then comes from the inside out, not from the outside in...
131 posted on 12/23/2005 9:36:22 AM PST by marron
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To: marron
[ Only a Christian convert, I believe. I am convinced that the people executed for blasphemy there, and it happens every week, are Christian converts. ]

Yes true marytrs, unless its an accusation purely for convience.. as most all are.. Islamic governments are just gangs.. in every case.. Which make them ripe for democracy.. since democracy is Mob rule.. Muslims have been doing Mob rule for 1426 years.. and have many "hit" laws.. Laws that make the "hit" legal..

132 posted on 12/23/2005 9:37:52 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
[ You don't think we have a right not to have religion forced on us? How odd. ]

Same question.. Forced HOW?.. What "right" is being denied.?.

133 posted on 12/23/2005 9:40:32 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
" Same question.. Forced HOW?.. What "right" is being denied.?."

When people try to force religion into science classrooms. When people try to force others to obey their morality when the action in no way infringes on anybody else's rights to life, liberty, or property. That's one reason we still have blue laws.

For the most part, the Constitution has been a check on these impulses. I have no doubts though that if a Pat Robertson or a Jerry Falwell had real political power, they would not hesitate to establish a theocracy here.
134 posted on 12/23/2005 9:53:01 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; betty boop
[ For the most part, the Constitution has been a check on these impulses. I have no doubts though that if a Pat Robertson or a Jerry Falwell had real political power, they would not hesitate to establish a theocracy here. ]

I see... so your projections effect your reality..
I figured that, very open of you to admit it though..

135 posted on 12/23/2005 10:10:03 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

" I see... so your projections effect your reality.."

Nope.


Merry Christmas!


136 posted on 12/23/2005 10:12:38 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: hosepipe; CarolinaGuitarman; marron; xzins
Jesus however enforces nothing.. He changes the individual not his circumstances.. Morality then comes from the inside out, not from the outside in..

This is the crucial point, the root of Christian faith. CG apparently sees morality as a bunch of pesky "rules" being imposed on one from outside. Christianity, in stark contrast, sees morality as flowing from the order of the person; i.e., from the inside out, as you so astutely note hosepipe. When we allow ourselves to be drawn by God via the Holy Spirit, we find our hearts have been changed, and we "turn around" our lives, and are born again. This is rebirth in the Spirit, the renewal of our communion with God destroyed by Adam's fall. We order our being according to God's Truth -- voluntarily for the love of Him -- which He reveals both in the holy scriptures and in the natural world. This, then, is the true source of morality.

Morality is thus a disposition of personal character, not servile surrender to "whimsical" rules imposed by powerful mortals, theist or atheist.

Jesus draws us; He does not "order us to do this or not to do that." He came -- as you've astutely noted elsewhere hosepipe -- not to establish a religion, but to establish a thriving human family. Unlike the case of the human family (into which we are simply born and have no say about who our relatives are), this is a "family" that one is free to join or not join, as the case may be. There is no coercion, nor could there ever be.

For CG to imagine that Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell coming to power would mean the forced establishment of a theocracy is simply ridiculous. The love of God cannot be coerced; the desire to live in communion with him cannot be coerced. Does CG think these men are so abysmally stupid that they don't know that? Christians know that the imposition of religion is simply an exercise in futility.

137 posted on 12/23/2005 10:46:39 AM PST by betty boop (Dominus illuminatio mea.)
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To: betty boop
"CG apparently sees morality as a bunch of pesky "rules" being imposed on one from outside."

Again, you assume too much. Par for the course.

" Jesus draws us; He does not "order us to do this or not to do that."

And if we disobey his orders, we burn in Hell. Nope, not orders at all....

"Unlike the case of the human family (into which we are simply born and have no say about who our relatives are), this is a "family" that one is free to join or not join, as the case may be. There is no coercion, nor could there ever be."

No coersion other than *Join or burn in Hell!*.

"For CG to imagine that Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell coming to power would mean the forced establishment of a theocracy is simply ridiculous."

Only if you ignore their words.

"The love of God cannot be coerced; the desire to live in communion with him cannot be coerced."

People can be coerced to follow the rules of someone else's religious faith. That's a fact.

" Does CG think these men are so abysmally stupid that they don't know that? "

Yes, I do. Theocracy has been attempted before; it's a fact in the Middle East. Are you so blind to think it couldn't be attempted here?

"Christians know that the imposition of religion is simply an exercise in futility."

Not all Christians know this.
138 posted on 12/23/2005 11:04:17 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Judge Jones is a raving humanist bigot. Last week's decision was just one more stinking plank in the rotting edifice that is the humanist manifesto.

At the height of Stalin's and Mao's reigns of terror, the definition of science over one fourth of the world's landmass was a political matter. Judge Jones has taken over the throne of humanist bigotry vacated when the kommissars of science were deposed and sent into exile when the stupidity and hubris of their ex cathedra nonsense was insufficient to keep the castle of atheist arrogance standing on its foundations.

Jones should be awarded a medal of dishonor for gross stupidity and arrogance.

139 posted on 12/23/2005 11:05:37 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: betty boop
Christianity, in stark contrast, sees morality as flowing from the order of the person; i.e., from the inside out... When we allow ourselves to be drawn by God via the Holy Spirit, we find our hearts have been changed, and we "turn around" our lives, and are born again...

Morality is thus a disposition of personal character, not servile surrender to "whimsical" rules imposed by powerful mortals, theist or atheist...

Jesus draws us; He does not "order us to do this or not to do that"... There is no coercion, nor could there ever be... The love of God cannot be coerced; the desire to live in communion with him cannot be coerced... Christians know that the imposition of religion is simply an exercise in futility.

I just thought this all deserved to be repeated.

140 posted on 12/23/2005 11:15:55 AM PST by marron
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