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Groundbreaking Book: Science Shows Man Not an Ape

Posted on 12/21/2005 6:22:46 AM PST by truthfinder9

One of biggest paradigm shifts in origins in recent years is when genetics and morphological studies began to show that Neanderthals and humans weren’t related. Sure, a lot of Darwin Fundies around here don’t know that because they get all of their science from the talking point lists of their Fundamentalist Leaders. So this is probably a big shock too, science is also showing that man is not related to any hominids including apes.

In the groundbreaking book, Who was Adam?, biochemist Fazale Rana examines the scientific research that is overturning Darwinian Fundamentalism. Here, using peer-reviewed research that the Darwin Fundies claim doesn’t exist, Rana shows man is unique and designed.

And he details the latest findings on the fossil record, junk DNA, Neanderthals, human and chimp genetics. There's more science here than most Darwin Fundies have ever read, but this will be the next great paradigm shift.

“The parallels between Genesis and the latest scientific data are profound...” - John A. Bloom, Ph.D., professor of physics, Biola University

On Rana’s previous book, Origins of Life:

“Evolution has just been dealt its deathblow. After reading Origins of Life, it is clear that evolution could not have occurred.” - Richard Smalley, Nobel Laureate, Chemistry, 1996, professor of physics and astronomy, Rice University

Real science by real scientists. According to Darwin Fundies this doesn't exist, but here it is.


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To: sandbar
Yes, you are correct I suppose.

?? ;^)


501 posted on 12/22/2005 3:12:07 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: add925

I did a LOL when seeing this in today's Star


502 posted on 12/22/2005 3:12:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: truthfinder9
Evolution has just been dealt its deathblow>

They forgot to tell that judge.

503 posted on 12/22/2005 3:15:02 PM PST by aculeus
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To: narby
 
The Bible says that, but you are the one who has locked his mind on the idea that "created" means zapped into existence instantly. You are incapable of imagining that "created" could have been a 3+ billion year project with ape like creatures in-between.
 
 
(Poor Narby... I just won't let up...    ;^)


Genesis 1
 
 1.  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
 2.  Now the earth was  formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
 3.  And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
 
 
This is a GOD who creates by speaking; but; how LONG did it take?
 
Now Jesus was a man who had God-like powers.  Was HE God?   The Book says so.......
 
 
 
 
NIV Colossians 1:13-17
 13.  For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
 14.  in whom we have redemption,  the forgiveness of sins.

 15.  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
 16.  For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
 17.  He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
 
 
NIV Revelation 4:11
 11.  "You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."
 
 
NIV Revelation 10:6
 6.  And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!

 
Notice that when this man speaks, things happen RIGHT NOW!   Not after some times passes and the body heals itself.
 
 
 
NIV Matthew 8:2-3
 2.  A man with leprosy  came and knelt before him and said, "Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean."
 3.  Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" Immediately he was cured  of his leprosy.
 
 
NIV Matthew 21:19
   Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.
 
 
NIV Mark 1:41-42
 41.  Filled with compassion, Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!"
 42.  Immediately the leprosy left him and he was cured.
 
 
NIV Mark 5:41-42
 41.  He took her by the hand and said to her, "Talitha koum!" (which means, "Little girl, I say to you, get up!").
 42.  Immediately the girl stood up and walked around (she was twelve years old). At this they were completely astonished.
 
 
NIV Mark 10:51-52
 51.  "What do you want me to do for you?" Jesus asked him.   The blind man said, "Rabbi, I want to see."
 52.  "Go," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you." Immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus along the road.
 
 
NIV Luke 5:13
  Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" And Immediately the leprosy left him.
 
 
NIV Luke 5:24-25
 24.  But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins. . . ." He said to the paralyzed man, "I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home."
 25.  Immediately he stood up in front of them, took what he had been lying on and went home praising God.
 
 
NIV Luke 8:44
  She came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak, and Immediately her bleeding stopped.
 
 
NIV Luke 13:12-13
 12.  When Jesus saw her, he called her forward and said to her, "Woman, you are set free from your infirmity."
 13.  Then he put his hands on her, and Immediately she straightened up and praised God.
 
 
NIV Luke 18:42-43
 42.  Jesus said to him, "Receive your sight; your faith has healed you."
 43.  Immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus, praising God. When all the people saw it, they also praised God.
 
 
NIV Acts 9:33-35
 33.  There he found a man named Aeneas, a paralytic who had been bedridden for eight years.
 34.  "Aeneas," Peter said to him, "Jesus Christ heals you. Get up and take care of your mat." Immediately Aeneas got up.
 35.  All those who lived in Lydda and Sharon saw him and turned to the Lord.
 
 
NIV Matthew 8:13
 13.  Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! It will be done just as you believed it would." And his servant was healed at that very hour.
 
 
NIV Matthew 15:28
 28.  Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.


 
Now if this same personage, who can do things in an instant, how LONG would it take Him to CREATE all of this???


504 posted on 12/22/2005 3:15:12 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: add925
They teach Art, Music, Athletics, isn't that a private, personal matter as well?

Well... them freakin' MUSLIM's have invaded our math departments, for they absolutely REFUSE to use anything other than Arabic Numerals!!!!

505 posted on 12/22/2005 3:17:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: narby
But theoretically it shouldn't be possible to detect God, if He exists.

OH?

Why not???

506 posted on 12/22/2005 3:18:38 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: narby; PatrickHenry; wallcrawlr
"My own opinion is that most religious people understand fully that they're worshipping a nonentity, but they're scared to find out the truth."

In giving up his "Christian faith", narby says: "It's just that I found it impossible to fool myself any longer."

Nope.

Given your comments...you are still in full fooling yourself mode.

By the way, to assist in curing your false notion that Christianity led to the "Dark Ages" and an anti-scientific mindset, please read Rodney Stark's (professor at Baylor University) How Christianity (and Capitalism) Led to Science (current issue of the Chronicle of Higher Education):

"Why was it that, although many civilizations had pursued alchemy, the study led to chemistry only in Europe? Why was it that for centuries, Europeans were the only ones possessed of eyeglasses, chimneys, reliable clocks, heavy calvary, or a system of music notation? How had the nations that had arisen from the rubble of Rome so greatly surpassed the rest of the world?

"A series of developments, in which reason won the day, gave unique shape to Western culture and institutions. And the most important of those victories ocurred within Christianity. While other world religions emphasized mystery and intuition, Christianity alone embraced reason and logic as the primary guides to religious truth...But from the early days, the church fathers taught that reason was the supreme gift of God and the means to progressively increase understanding of Scripture and revelation. Consequently Christianity was oriented to the future, while other major religions asserted the superiority of the past."

"Only Christians believed that God's gift of reason made progress inevitable--theological as well as technical progress. Thus, Augustine flatly asserted that through the application of reason we will gain an increasingly more accurate understanding of God..."

"Fra Giordana preached these words in France in 1306: "Not all the arts have been found; we shall never see an end to finding them."

Stark argues that the "Dark Ages" "were not so dark after all, and that during these centuries European technology and science overtook and surpassed the rest of the world...Christian faith in reason and progress was the foundation on which Western success was achieved."

"So why should a scientist try [to look for God]?"

Because that is the history of science.

Only evolutionary scientists, especially the current day variety, make comments that science is uninterested in, and separate from, God (but their comments about evolution being unguided, natural and random reveal their religious bias as science can not make those conclusions).

Maybe PatrickHenry will archive Stark's article on the list-o-links as to prevent those from Darwin Central, or others, from, again, inaccurately linking Christianity with the root cause of the "darkness" of the "Dark Ages".

507 posted on 12/22/2005 3:59:22 PM PST by pby
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To: pby
How Christianity (and Capitalism) Led to Science

The author is conflating the culture of Christian nations a few centuries ago with the culture of Christian nations of the third century. The particular deity worshiped at the time was secondary to the actions they took.

The cultures of those two eras were entirely different.

Just as the teachings of the "fundamentalist" church I grew up in around 1970 didn't have a problem with evolution, but now that same church does, is a short term example of how religious doctrine can change.

The incredibly advanced culture of the Romans was ignored and abandoned around the same time as the adoption of Christianity. And the evidence is that if a minority of Christians have their way now, the field of science will be poisoned with the philosophy that some subjects are "too hard" for humans to find the answer, and we will give up and declare that "God did it". That is the end of science as we know it, and if you can't recognize it, then you are part of the problem.

508 posted on 12/22/2005 4:19:14 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: Strategerist

[Everyone has known for years that Humans aren't DESCENDED from Neanderthals, but we're clearly RELATED - two different evolutionary branches, with a common ancestor at some point, of course. Genetic studies have confirmed this.]

Absolutely. The reason for this is that God created all life as it now exists.(Some might say, same designer, but they are as wrong as the Darwin Fundamentalists). "Disregard the opposition of science, falsely so called."


509 posted on 12/22/2005 4:41:58 PM PST by kindred (God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female he created the)
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To: narby
Argue with professor Stark, and others, as they directly disagree with your posted statements and look at the entire period of the "Dark Ages"...and not just in cultural contrast as you missed the point.

And cultures change but underlying truths do not. Stark argues that it was the unique Christian belief in a God-given ability to reason that led to Europe's scientific domination in the world during the "Dark Ages".

And no other world civilization, or culture, advanced technically/scientifically like those with Christianity (Europe). Stark gives the evidence. Read it.

If you choose to ignore the evidence that it was all other world religions and their associated cultures/civilizations that led to an anti-science mindset and "darkness" during the "Dark Ages", and not Christianity, then your evolutionary faith provides you with a reckless tendency to revise history to favor your beliefs (and this is how evolutionists give us false feathered dinosaurs and HOX gene mutations creating limbs with hands from lobe-finned fishes).

You are speaking of strawmen, not real people...Name a Christian someone who says that "if the subject is too hard, then we will give up and declare "God did it".

Your above-mentioned personal opinion relative to Christians encountering intellectual/scientific rigor is unsupported...although I do believe that God did do it. It is just interesting to see a glimpse, via science, of just how He did it.

You, however, do make a very good religious evolutionist and Darwin Fundamentalist.

510 posted on 12/22/2005 5:07:50 PM PST by pby
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To: samtheman
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I wouldn't be surpised if evidence is eventually found that life got started on Mars, a long time ago.
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Yes indeed, it is a matter of faith that life spontaneously arises from dead matter. Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. In this case, there is faith that life will spontaneously spring up wherever conditions are sufficient. Yet, so far, space is full of lifeless rocks.

Since the evolutionist cannot demonstrate life springing from dead raw materials, it is a matter of faith that it must have occured, or else we would not be here. Indeed the one fact demands the other. I am, therefore, evolution is true?

Yet even if present attempts to create a bacterium from scratch were someday successful, what would that prove, given the complexity of DNA? You might as well demand that I teach my child that a truck full of urban garbage was dumped over a cliff and the result was a fully functioning notebook computer, complete with the ability to make other identical versions of the same make and model. ROFL!
511 posted on 12/22/2005 9:14:49 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Thus far this ruling only affects Dover. However, we live under the 'precedence' of a ruling, so won't be long till somebody finds commonality of descent from this case and the gnat strainers will use this case as precedence in what ever school they can.





512 posted on 12/23/2005 12:09:19 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: theBuckwheat

People who don't understand how science works are quick to call science merely another form of faith.

(Forgive them. They know not what they do.)


513 posted on 12/23/2005 3:58:11 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Just mythoughts
Thus far this ruling only affects Dover. However, we live under the 'precedence' of a ruling, so won't be long till somebody finds commonality of descent from this case and the gnat strainers will use this case as precedence in what ever school they can.

Good. I hope it does spread.

Creationism should not be taught in public schools. If parents want their kids to learn about God, then they can pay for private schools.

514 posted on 12/23/2005 9:05:55 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: truthfinder9
PREDICTION (having yet to read the thread)...

No creationist will take note of the fact that Fazale Rana (and Hugh Ross, his boss and associate at Reasons to Believe Ministries) disagree here with virtually all other antievolutionists.

Rana only accepts fully anatomically modern humans as human; only they are descendants of Adam and Eve, the first humans created. All others (even if they made and used tools, buried their dead, etc) are merely beasts created by God with the other beasts. For example see this article by Rana.

To nearly all other creationists and antievolutionists, "archaic" sapients (including Neanderthals, but also any other forms more advanced than Homo erectus but not quite anatomically modern) are unquestionably human.

Although there is considerable if unacknowledged vacillation and inconsistency, most creationists draw the line between mankind and beast either before, somewhere within or after Homo erectus. Some would even incorporate as human a few more advanced members of Homo habilis (a species intermediate between Australopithecines, which nearly all creationists consider non-human, and Homo erectus, about which creationists usually can't decide).

Thus Rana's book vastly extends the range of disagreement among creationists over where the boundary falls between humans and non-humans. As a result EVERY hominid after the Australopithecines and right up to Cro-Magnon falls into this realm of creationist indecision. And remember that creationists simultaneously claim that humans are a separate "created kind" clearly distinct from all others!

LURKERS NOTE that while evolutionists gleefully highlight and debate their theoretical differences, creationists here (if I've predicted correctly) eagerly defended and promoted Rana's book even though it flatly and drastically contradicts nearly every other creationist screed attacking human evolution. Creationism is all and only about being antievolution. Consistency, rigor and positive research don't matter.

515 posted on 12/28/2005 10:26:03 AM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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