Posted on 12/21/2005 6:22:46 AM PST by truthfinder9
One of biggest paradigm shifts in origins in recent years is when genetics and morphological studies began to show that Neanderthals and humans weren’t related. Sure, a lot of Darwin Fundies around here don’t know that because they get all of their science from the talking point lists of their Fundamentalist Leaders. So this is probably a big shock too, science is also showing that man is not related to any hominids including apes.
In the groundbreaking book, Who was Adam?, biochemist Fazale Rana examines the scientific research that is overturning Darwinian Fundamentalism. Here, using peer-reviewed research that the Darwin Fundies claim doesn’t exist, Rana shows man is unique and designed.
And he details the latest findings on the fossil record, junk DNA, Neanderthals, human and chimp genetics. There's more science here than most Darwin Fundies have ever read, but this will be the next great paradigm shift.
“The parallels between Genesis and the latest scientific data are profound...” - John A. Bloom, Ph.D., professor of physics, Biola University
On Rana’s previous book, Origins of Life:
“Evolution has just been dealt its deathblow. After reading Origins of Life, it is clear that evolution could not have occurred.” - Richard Smalley, Nobel Laureate, Chemistry, 1996, professor of physics and astronomy, Rice University
Real science by real scientists. According to Darwin Fundies this doesn't exist, but here it is.
Absolutely, we have observed evolution in action, in countless fields. If you're talking about observed speciation, there have been a number of such incidences. Here are a few examples:
# A new species of mosquito, the molestus form isolated in London's Underground, has speciated from Culex pipiens (Byrne and Nichols 1999; Nuttall 1998).
# Helacyton gartleri is the HeLa cell culture, which evolved from a human cervical carcinoma in 1951. The culture grows indefinitely and has become widespread (Van Valen and Maiorana 1991).
# Several new species of plants have arisen via polyploidy (when the chromosome count multiplies by two or more) (de Wet 1971). One example is Primula kewensis (Newton and Pellew 1929).
Well the burden is Truthtwister9's to prove his contention.
I live just a few miles from Dover, PA and have been watching the debate about intelligent design with a mixture of amusement & disgust. "Amusement," because ID strikes me a weak theory and an intellectual shortcut; and "Disgust" that a local school board is not allowed to control its own curricula -- that it has to be decided by a federal judge sitting in Harrisburg or DC.
With the secularists in charge, soon there won't be anything left worth fighting for.
Well, you've ducked the question two or three times too many now. Obviously you understand that if you committed to answers that you would be shown completely wrong, so you duck the question.
I have better things to do.
Just because my interpretation of the Bible is different from yours doesn't mean I'm any less of a believer than you are. I find the idea condescending and personally offensive.
Yes it does. It says He created animals first; then He created man, male and female, in His image. No other creature was said to have been created in His image; only man. That makes him distinct and sets him apart from the rest of the animal world. There are no other animals that I know of that have the moral sense and self-awareness that man does.
Where do I say God lied? My reading is that God tells us, right there in Genesis 2:7, that He used an evolutionary process to create man.
The problem is things are lost in translation. I'm not fluent in Hebrew; neither, I think, are you. Without being able to go back to the original Hebrew text, we rely on flawed humans to translate the Bible for us. We are blind to the subtleties lost and right-out errors made in the translations. It's only through others' commentary that I know the implications of 2:7.
IMO the 'exact point of divergence' might be a single individual within a larger species -- ie. a genetic fluke. The 'fluke' gets propogated from that point forward. Since most DNA doesn't survive the fossilation process, it will be impossible to nail this down with the precision that some evolutinary-skeptics require.
Let's not forget all the virii that seem to evolve from one generation to the next.
It sure seems that everything is breaking down. It takes work and energy to fix things or make/create something.
Secularists do not 100% control education....yet. Think private schools or home schooling.
All many of us wanted was a choice. In my hometown, it was public education or nothing. Not so today, things have improved and they can still get better. Freedom of choice is a good deal.
# A new species of mosquito, the molestus form isolated in London's Underground, has speciated from Culex pipiens (Byrne and Nichols 1999; Nuttall 1998).
How do they know that it changed from one form in to another. Isn't this just another case of adaptation and discovery?
This is interesting dialog and I appreciate it. Alas, I have to go feed some cows and get some chores done, but, I'll check back and see if you've posted anything else.
So you have no proof. Thanks.
Bingo!!!! For I while there, I felt all alone on this thread ;^)
And ultimately, neither do you. Thanks.
THERE IT IS. 26 posts this time.
The obligatory "They don't understand evolution" post from the Darwin Fundies. I love it. It's the veritable Helms Deep of the evowacko cabal. Yawn.
Note to Darwin Fundies: All biology is ultimately chemistry. All chemistry is ultimately physics. I know everyone likes to think no-one outside their field is qualified to criticize them, but that assumption has far more to do with ego than fact.
Glad you have better things to do. And I don't apologize for answering with I don't know. Of course you are all-knowing and can't be bothered with mere mortals. Merry Christmas.
Ah, but the Darwin Fundies (DFs) seem to spend 99% of their time on these threads trying to score points on the pedantic peripherals. It makes them feel like they're "winning" without wading into the waters of the actual scientific claims.
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