Groundbreaking Book: Science Shows Man Not an Ape

[truthfinder9]

One of biggest paradigm shifts in origins in recent years is when genetics and morphological studies began to show that Neanderthals and humans weren’t related. Sure, a lot of Darwin Fundies around here don’t know that because they get all of their science from the talking point lists of their Fundamentalist Leaders. So this is probably a big shock too, science is also showing that man is not related to any hominids including apes.

In the groundbreaking book, Who was Adam?, biochemist Fazale Rana examines the scientific research that is overturning Darwinian Fundamentalism. Here, using peer-reviewed research that the Darwin Fundies claim doesn’t exist, Rana shows man is unique and designed.

And he details the latest findings on the fossil record, junk DNA, Neanderthals, human and chimp genetics. There's more science here than most Darwin Fundies have ever read, but this will be the next great paradigm shift.

“The parallels between Genesis and the latest scientific data are profound...” - John A. Bloom, Ph.D., professor of physics, Biola University

On Rana’s previous book, Origins of Life:

“Evolution has just been dealt its deathblow. After reading Origins of Life, it is clear that evolution could not have occurred.” - Richard Smalley, Nobel Laureate, Chemistry, 1996, professor of physics and astronomy, Rice University

Real science by real scientists. According to Darwin Fundies this doesn't exist, but here it is.

[RadioAstronomer]

Blogarrhea, cha-cha-cha LOL!

Wow you read fast. In ~1.5 minutes you understood everything I posted. /sarc.

[truthfinder9]

I read it and I told you what it said. Try reading it again.

[The_Victor]

I usually avoid these threads like the plague

Me too! I got involved in a crevo thread a month or so ago, and was perceived (incorrectly) as a creationist. The supposedly science supporting side of the issue called me all kinds of names. Considering they have the evidence on their side they sure are a nasty group.

Merry Christmas

[Celtjew Libertarian]

If man evolved from apes, why are apes still here? Wouldn't they all be man?

Because not all apes evolved.

Just because you make apple pie doesn't mean there are no more apples.

[truthfinder9]

See the unedited Rana comments here.

[ASA Vet]

No one says they did.

Correct. However, supernaturalist liberals, just like other liberals, believe repeating their mantra over and over will win over actual thinking.

[RadioAstronomer]

Obviously it doesn't really matter if it is taught as fact or not if students don't believe it.

That could be said about any subject. I find this disquieting.

[bessay]

"I've always found it interesting that Darwin himself recanted his own theory near the end of his life and embraced the possibility of God and an afterlife"

Darwin was a life-long Christian. He began his college career as a divinity student, with the goal of becoming a pastor. He never saw his theory as questioning the existance of God and he never recanted his theory on the origin of species.

[RadioAstronomer]

Off to the lab. Will check in later.

[add925]

Yes! You've got it.

The recent ruling makes it a clear & concise choice....finally!

Public schools will preach Darwinism, Private schools may (or may not) preach creationism!

It was wrong to try to force public schools to teach something they really don't subscribe to.

Now parents have a clear distinction and can make their own decision! Its a win-win! The lines have been drawn.

Pass the popcorn.

[The_Victor]

I take it seriously. Evos can call those who believe in creationism all sorts of names and insult them. Turnabout is fair play.

I have experienced the rather rancorous exchange between the two sides, and the turnabout may well be justified. But being justified is not the same thing as being right. When you start your argument with an insult, most readers tune out, the ensuing discussion will convene with only the name callers involved. If that's what you wanted, the go ahead.

[Strategerist]

Having read the studies, I can assure you they prove conclusively that man and Neanderthals don't share an ancestor.

Here's the full text of the "Cell" Study you cite:
Neandertal DNA Sequences and the Origin of Modern Humans

And a selection from it:

Age of the Neandertal/Modern Human Ancestor

To estimate the time when the most recent ancestral sequence common to the Neandertal and modern human mtDNA sequences existed, we used an estimated divergence date between humans and chimpanzees of 4-5 million years ago (Takahata et al., 1995) and corrected the observed sequence differences for multiple substitutions at the same nucleotide site (Tamura and Nel., 1993). This yielded a date of 550,000 to 690,000 before present for the divergence of the Neanderthal and contemporary human mtDNAs.

So, ol' Truthtwister9 either

1) didn't read this paper,

2) didn't understand it.

[add925]

Wow you read fast. In ~1.5 minutes you understood everything I posted. /sarc.

Yes, I took speed reading.....;^)

[Alter Kaker]

Little Virginia to teacher: "Sir, I was taught that at home that the sun revolves around the earth."

Public school teacher: "Well, Virginia, there's no scientific basis for that."

Virginia: "Do I get an 'F' if I don't believe in a heliocentric solar system?"

Teacher: "No, Virginia, not necessarily, just as you wouldn't if you subscribed to creationism or some other non-rational belief system. You are entitled to your beliefs, but your beliefs don't excuse you from having to learn science, which is the purpose of this course -- so I will hold you accountable for knowing why scientists believe what they believe, regardless of whether you believe it.

Ultimately, you will be better served by understanding heliocentric thought, even if you choose ultimately to reject it."

Virginia: "You are so wise, teacher."

[ndt]

"Yeah and cockroaches share about 94% of our DNA."

Which species of cockroach are you referring to?

[Protagoras]

But I find it interesting that a number of responses are emphasizing the Darwin Fundy insult and not trying to address the subject matter.

It was pretty apparent early on.

Attacking the messenger is a popular debate technique around here.

My all time favorite pastime is watching the incredible leaps to conclusions about a posters' beliefs and future arguments based on nothing but imagination.

[mlc9852]

I think we have all made our positions clear on these posts and no one's mind has been changed so all that's left is posting for entertainment purposes. I have observed evos to be much more likely to use insults than creationists. If you're going to participate in these discussions, you better have thick skin.

[truthfinder9]

Again, super brain, the newer studies have udpated that study. Now you're like a young-earth creationist holding on to old data while ignoring new data. I know this is what you call "science," but we real scientists call it "fundamentalism."

[Born to Conserve]

"Yeah and cockroaches share about 94% of our DNA.
Your point?"

We ARE related to cockroaches. In fact, there is a good chance we are related to EVERY LIVING ORGANISM - on this planet at least.

I like the statement by the judge in the Pennsylvania case -- something like "the school board member's testimony was selective recall or outright lies". Excellent! Not very judicial, but excellent.

[pawdoggie]

Plenty of evos are ridiculed and most seem able to handle it. We are becoming a nation of wimps.

That may be perfectly true, but it's not my point. I don't see how an argument over "intelligent design" at this time is going to keep the Democrats in Congress from exposing us to another 9-11 attack. If anything, by opening conservatives (to include most Republicans) up to ridicule (however undeserved) the ID debate detracts from our ability to make the points that need to be made in the War on Terror: "why should anyone believe you, you think the earth is 6,000 years old?" We don't need to have this debate at this moment in time. GIVE IT A REST, okay?