Posted on 12/21/2005 5:17:48 AM PST by Nextrush
Judge Jones in his ruling yesterday took the route of upholding precedent. He's the latest in a long string of judges who have made reference to the 20th Century flat earth concept of "separation of church and state." The modern perversion of the U.S. Constitution began with Supreme Court Justice Hugo 'KKK' Black's ruling against public support of Catholic schools in 1947.
I guess one can say this is what makes a Republican appointed judge like Jones different from the Democrat ones. Liberal judges defy the law and try to change it in our face like ruling the Pledge of Allegience unconstitutional or that terror suspects at Gitmo have the same rights as U.S. citizens. Or they even resign from boards to put political pressure on the president like has been reported this morning.
Some senators like Arlen Specter have stated to much consternation, controversy and after the fact correction of their remarks that Supreme Court nominees like John Roberts and Samuel Alito believe in precedents like "Roe vs. Wade." Lets hope this is not the case and that some precedents like "separation of church and state" will be put on the scrap heap of history they rightly belong on.
There was no way that the Dover School Board could have won this case with the false notion of "separation of church and state" as a precedent in a 1987 Supreme Court ruling dealing with creationism.
As regards the misleading of the court by the now ex-school board members in this trial, I take seriously the commandment "Thou shalt not bear false witness." I also take seriously the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" but I believe in killing in self-defense, the death penalty and killing in war. It seems appropriate to me that in fighting the ACLU in this culture war case, deception is not sin.
The world around us looks at things in a legalistic way. Jesus was not a legalist. Modern day Pharisees and Saducees may throw their stones at them, but I repeat the words "Let he who has no sin cast the first stone." Modern day Christians have lied to save lives, smuggle Bibles into Communist countries, and to be missionaries in Muslim countries.
Ultimately the ex-school board members and all of us will answer to a higher authority than Judge Jones.
Just because you're guilty doesn't mean you'll get charged. I believe the judge also mentioned the lies in his ruling.
My sister was once bitten by a moose.
Amen.
Legal scholars on the left and right agree that Roe v. Wade was a bad decision (not with regards to abortion but with regards to how it was argued).
Most recently the Supreme Court reversed their decision on sodomy laws (but did not throw out all sex laws between consenting adults cavorting in private).
The court is NOT infalible. Their legal decisions can set precedent but they can be overturned.
I agree with your analogy comparing abortion to slavery. Doris Kerns Goodwin was on Charlie Rose (I know, double barf) which I saw when I left PBS Monday night. She was talking about a book she wrote about A. Lincoln.
She got to discussing the temperance movement and Lincon's explanation to his supporters that it would never work in practice to ban alcohol. She likened this to abortion.
She missed the forest for the trees. SOME people wanted to keep their slaves too. BUT people have worth and who makes the decision as to who "counts" as a person and who doesn't? As with the slaves, so goes the decision on little babies.
Children have rights. The left lies when they tell us that women have a choice in saying whether their baby should live or die (because she has too many of them or doesn't like the daddy or would be embarassed if it "showed" or doesn't like the sex of the child...). The mother's choice came when she decided to have coital sex with that man. The baby shouldn't earn a death sentence (to the tune of 45 MILLION murdered as opposed to THOUSANDS executed on death row after countless appeals) because mom is flakey.
Alternate methods of "birth control" are too widely available (in pill, patch, sponge, condom, and surgical sterilization) for abortion to be used as a means of birth control.
Hard to get worked up over the I.D. "battle". Our kids would benefit as much from having Astrology taught in science class. I believe in God but Creationism is not science.
I did not deny the importance of telling the truth. Maybe I would have done it differently but Jesus had to deal with
legalistic people who had rules that defied the reality of the situations people found themselves in. Both religious and secular people can become rule oriented humanists that let rules blind them to things that are bad and ugly.
I don't know if what you are saying is true but I think that the lawyers must have gotten to the board members with the realization that the original intent ("putting God in school" or some such thing) wasn't a winning case. I suspect the now former board members changed their testimony to reflect that which was descirbed as "misleading" by Judge Jones.
I don't know if what you are saying is true but I think that the lawyers must have gotten to the board members with the realization that the original intent ("putting God in school" or some such thing) wasn't a winning case. I suspect the now former board members changed their testimony to reflect that which was described as "misleading" by Judge Jones.
The Republican's have had their share of poor appointments with Justice Suitor as an example. And don't forget, it took Republican conformation votes to appoint Ginsberg.
Learn to lose with class.
Jones tried to shield himself by writing in his opinion that this decision was not "judicial activism." But saying a duck isn't a duck, doesn't make a duck something other than it is. This was a case of judicial activism, and Jones is precisely the kind of "judge" who shouldn't be on the bench.
I'm not really trying to be a sore loser, just offering up some opinion that is truth in the face of nonsense.
The judge's decision has been reached. If you do not like it - there are procedures for appealing it. If you will not or cannot appeal it - then accept it. Everything else shows the lack of class.
You've sold your soul, period.
Jones was described in the York Daily Record as a protege of
Tom Ridge ("moderate" Republican who raised the gas tax and signed off on automatic pay raises for legislators as Governor in PA) who the President considers a friend and of course appointed him to the Homeland Security cabinet post.
I can't appeal it. That's up to the school board and the new liberal one won't.
The big church pastors do but not just TV types, the Rick Warren types do. But forget about them, Jesus was about our hearts, not legalistic rules. His enemies constantly attacked him with legal questions like the ones you proudly proclaim. Jesus didn't like the lynch mob mentality of our local newspapers that speculated and pushed perjury charges after Judge Jones' decision this week. The woman at the well story stands out to me.
Well, then accept it as a good sport.
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