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Did Bush willingly commit a ZOT? Please say it ain't so
Posted on 12/20/2005 8:49:47 AM PST by always thr constitution
I have been arguing with stupid libs for two days saying that Bush committed no crime because under the provisions of the USSID 18 and the FSIA, he could with perfect legitimacy eavesdrop on aliens involved in terrorist activities if he had AG approval.
However, what was puzzling is that Gonzales did not cite USSID 18; he cited the more dubious rationale of war powers approval. This would seem to indicate that Bush was spying on US citizens without a Court Order which clearly violates USSID 18 and the FSIA, and was using war powers approval to cover for it.
Now such actions are not unprecedented during wartime; however, since there has been no officiial declaration of war, there seems to be Constitutional as well as legal issues at work here.
I never thought Bush would resort to such extreme measures to skirt the law. I hope I am wrong. Please tell me why Bush didn't do this.
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To: AliVeritas
The constitution is not a suicide pact. Lincoln Lincoln didn't say that...
I heard Rush misquote that this morning...
141
posted on
12/20/2005 11:44:12 AM PST
by
Zavien Doombringer
(Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
To: always thr constitution
142
posted on
12/20/2005 11:55:29 AM PST
by
Grampa Dave
(Link to Great TV ad re rat traitors and their words re Iraq: http://www.gop.com/Media/120905.wmv)
To: scott0347
So is that a Zotted Rat or snake?
143
posted on
12/20/2005 12:02:20 PM PST
by
Grampa Dave
(Link to Great TV ad re rat traitors and their words re Iraq: http://www.gop.com/Media/120905.wmv)
To: always thr constitution
144
posted on
12/20/2005 12:04:56 PM PST
by
Modok
To: Grampa Dave
145
posted on
12/20/2005 12:05:30 PM PST
by
scott0347
(Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
To: linda_22003
If the poster is a "troll", then so is Bruce Fein, a former Reagan Deputy AG: Are you convinced yet that your little collective attack via FR isn't going to work?
How lame can you be?
LOL!
146
posted on
12/20/2005 12:07:37 PM PST
by
Publius6961
(The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
To: Publius6961
I posted an article which shows that some Republicans also disagree. What do you mean by a "collective attack"?
To: linda_22003
What do you mean by a "collective attack"? The Forum equivalent of "seminar" callers on talk radio. Several people collectively reinforcing each other's posts and agreeing to do so ahead of time, to boost perceived credibility.
148
posted on
12/20/2005 12:23:37 PM PST
by
Publius6961
(The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
To: Publius6961
I always assumed people did that sort of thing. What a way to spend your time. No, I just posted a link to an editorial.
To: Zavien Doombringer
That saying has been attributed to Lincoln in numerous sources regarding his suspension of habeus corpus and the Supreme Court declaring it unconstitutional (he ignored them).
Whose fact checkers are you going to trust. Rush's or the fake but accurate MSM?
150
posted on
12/20/2005 1:55:54 PM PST
by
Valpal1
(Crush jihadists, drive collaborators before you, hear the lamentations of their media. Allahu FUBAR!)
To: always thr constitution
To: always thr constitution
RIP TROLL
152
posted on
12/20/2005 2:34:15 PM PST
by
vigilante2
(Merry Christmas)
To: linda_22003
Something passes the smell test if you'd approve of a President you DON'T like doing it. Does this? OK, so the proposed situation is that Al Gore or John Kerry has decided to do wiretaps on people who are talking to Al-Qaeda operatives.
I would be absolutely fine with it.
First, I do believe quite firmly that this falls under prosecuting the war (see Soviet example below).
Second, I see no reason that the President should be considered guilty until proven innocent on this, and I would carry that over to President Gore or President Kerry if we were in that fix. Bush says that they went around the FISA court because of time issues. That is either the truth or a lie. Since the FISA court has been friendly to the administration and those spyed on are perfectly legitimate targets under FISA jurisdiction, I see no motivation other than the one stated to go around FISA. If you know of one, you can let me know.
Now that I've answered that, let me ask you a few questions:
1. Why are you holding the President guilty until proven innocent in this matter?
2. Where is your outrage against the punks who leaked this?
3. Where is your outrage against members of Congress who hae known about and helped approve this activity and are now acting shocked, shocked that this has been going on?
4. Why don't war powers cover this if the citizen is communicating with enemy personnel? We're not talking about somebody calling Tehran to talk to a mullah, we're talking about someone talking to an Al-Qaeda operative.
5. Here's a scenario and a question. It's the height of the Cold War, and the FBI suspects that ana American citizen living near Otis Air Force base in Massachusetts is a Soviet agent. They have evidence that he has been speaking to person in the Soviet Union whose expertise is the study of our air defense. The pattern of his calls suggests he may be advising them of activity during exercises at the base. Otis is responsible for guarding Air approaches to New York City, among other things. There is a major Soviet Naval Aviation exercise scheduled to begin in the next few hours and this guy has placed two or three calls to the Soviet analyst in just the last three hours, even though there is no activity going on at the base. The FBI agent looking at the case says, "I don't want to be alarmist, but this guy could be advising them of flight activity at the base so they can sneak some bombers through. This guy could be telling them the coast is clear, or he could be getting instructions for a sabotage mission of some sort."
Court approval will take to the end of the day at least. Do you tap the guy's phone or not?
153
posted on
12/20/2005 2:38:30 PM PST
by
Mr. Silverback
("I want a hippopotamus for Christmas...only a hippopotamus will do!")
To: always thr constitution
MERRY CHRISTMAS TROLL!
154
posted on
12/20/2005 2:56:14 PM PST
by
PilloryHillary
(Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.)
To: Mr. Silverback
155
posted on
12/20/2005 3:11:28 PM PST
by
Grampa Dave
(Link to Great TV ad re rat traitors and their words re Iraq: http://www.gop.com/Media/120905.wmv)
To: always thr constitution
156
posted on
12/20/2005 6:46:32 PM PST
by
Darnright
(Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
To: always thr constitution
STUDIO ZIt's a Young Blog but give it time it's Notworthy.
157
posted on
12/20/2005 6:53:28 PM PST
by
ATOMIC_PUNK
(secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Notworthy = Note worthy dammit
158
posted on
12/20/2005 6:56:33 PM PST
by
ATOMIC_PUNK
(secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
To: Paul_Denton
Hey i have that game is that Homeworld ?
Took me 2 weeks to beat it and it weren't easy
159
posted on
12/20/2005 6:59:53 PM PST
by
ATOMIC_PUNK
(secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Cool :) Yes it is very hard. Especially the last missions. Mission 14 (second before last) is by far the hardest (where they try to crash an asteroid into your mothership). Homeworld 2 is even harder, although they made Karan S'jet (the woman who is known as 'Fleet Command') prettier lol.
160
posted on
12/20/2005 7:01:34 PM PST
by
Paul_Denton
(The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
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