Jane Fonda: U.S. Troops Are 'Killing Machines'

www.newsmax.com ^ | Dec. 13, 2005 | newsmax.com

[doesnt suffer fools gladly]

Jane Fonda: U.S. Troops Are 'Killing Machines'

"Hanoi Jane" Fonda is claiming that ever since Vietnam, U.S. troops have been trained to commit atrocities against innocent civilians as a matter of military policy.

"Starting with the Vietnam War we began training soldiers differently," the anti-American actress says in an email to the Washington Post.

Fonda claims she learned of the policy switch in "secret meetings" she had with military psychologists "who were really worried about what was happening to our combat personnel."

One doctor, she insists, told her U.S. troops had been deliberately trained to be "killing machines."

"This began," Fonda maintained, "because the military discovered that in World War II and Korea, [U.S.] soldiers weren't killing enough."

"So they changed training procedures" to teach troops how to commit atrocities.

Still, the anti-war gadfly cautions, it's important not to blame the soldiers themselves for carrying out war crimes.

Recalling the "Winter Soldier" hearings that she and John Kerry staged in 1971, Fonda lamented: "When you put young people into an atrocity-producing situation where enemy and civilian are commingled, where the 'other side' is dehumanized, we cannot be surprised."

Anti-war vets now returning from Iraq, Fonda cautioned, should be listened to instead of being dismissed as "unpatriotic."

"We have not learned the lessons of Vietnam," she declared.

[Carl/NewsMax]

My BS meter is beeping.

So's mine. I can't find any attribution in the NewsMax story, or any sign of the 'e-mail' in the WaPo.

You can turn off your BS meters. Do you really think NewsMax would fabricate direct quotes?

Here's the link. Fonda was interviewed for the Washington Post's weekend section via email.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/08/AR2005120800686.html

[willyboyishere]

She is the sole resident of "Planet Jane".

[Nasty McPhilthy]

Kerry was there(at the secret meeting), too!

[DuncanWaring]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/08/AR2005120800686.html

[Rabble]

"Why is she not in leg irons. Tell me why."

HanoiJane is stuck on TREASON while some people are stuck on stupid. Come to think of it perhaps she fits both statement!

[Steve_Seattle]

Her statement shows complete ignorance. It was beginning in Vietnam that our military starting paying more attention to ways to reduce civilian casualties. In WWII we destroyed entire cities, hundreds of thousands of civilians, with an abandon that would be unthinkable now. That's a good part of the reason it's taking so long to win in Iraq; domestic politics and the media handcuff our military.

[jess35]

I see dingbat is still parading the S. L. A. Marshall myth...and an erroneous interpretation of the Army's reponse.

[nopardons]

They sure would be.

[nickcarraway]

It's nice that Fonda is finally bragging about our service peopel!

[nightdriver]

The real Hanoi Jane Fonda comes out. She could no more stay in the closet than could a 500 lb bomb detonation.

She's still as subversive and air-headed as she always was.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"...Recalling the "Winter Soldier" hearings that she and John Kerry staged in 1971, Fonda lamented: "When you put young people into an atrocity-producing situation where enemy and civilian are commingled, where the 'other side' is dehumanized, we cannot be surprised..."



From Kerry's "The New Soldier":

Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66
Emotions: Walking down the flight line at Saigon past stacks of aluminum cases containing American bodies and past stacks of aluminum luggage containing American currency. Seeing the tight, sad face of an Airman loading the bodies aboard a dirty Air Force Transport and the wide smiling face of a stewardess greeting the passengers aboard a clean Pan American Clipper Jet. Hearing a Vietnamese beg you to leave his country and an American colonel tells you to bomb his country. Hearing a Vietnamese invite you to live in his home, after the war and an American explain why you can’t live in his block, after the war. Flying over barren, brown, safe American held terrain and over lush, green unsafe enemy terrain. Feeling happy to be leaving a country in which you do not belong and sad to be returning to a country in which you are not allowed to belong. Sacrificing a portion of your consciousness so you won’t have to deal with being there and building mental blocks so you won’t have to deal with having been there.

- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam. The only Vietnamese he ever met was when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation: "He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time.
And those things happen."

Free online version of
hanoi kerry's playbook "The New Soldier"
You can read it online right now.

[carl in alaska]

Go get 'em Tonk! Let the big dawg hunt.

[Gucho]

!!

[Grut]

Do you really think NewsMax would fabricate direct quotes?

Well, it appears I was wrong. But articles citing e-mails as sources are not, generally, very credible. Too many fake e-mails floating around out there.

[Gucho]

Hanoi Jane Fonda applauding an NVA anti-aircraft gun crew. These guns were used to shoot down American planes and contributed to the deaths of American Airmen.

[A CA Guy]

"Hanoi Jane" Fonda is claiming that ever since Vietnam, U.S. troops have been trained to commit atrocities against innocent civilians as a matter of military policy.

Jane Fonda is a traitorous whore.

[pawdoggie]

You can turn off your BS meters. Do you really think NewsMax would fabricate direct quotes?

Possibly not, but what NewsMax has done in this particular case is to take authentic Fonda comments about the "post-Korea" Army that fought in Vietnam (e.g. "killing machines") and then used a deceptive banner, " Jane Fonda: U.S. Troops Are (present tense) Killing Machines", to create the appearance that Hanoi Jane was "up to her old tricks" relative to GIs currently fighting the War on Terror. Not to say that Fonda may not feel that today's soldiers are also "killing machines", but I don't like NewMax "poetic license" any more than I like the MSM equivalent.

[DragonMarine]

Right there withya....
Is ten yrs USMC enough???

Cheers!

[g'nad]

Jane Fonda: U.S. Troops Are 'Killing Machines'

why, yes... yes we are...

[Larry Lucido]

OK. If we are such 'Killing Machines', how come she isn't afraid to say something like this? The very fact that she can freely make this accusation shows it isn't true!

We're killing machines, but we cower at the likes of Jane Fonda and Jean F'n Kerry.