LIVE THREAD - UPDATE: TOOKIE WILLIAMS EXECUTED

Fox news | Dec 12, 2005

[commish]

Gov. Shwarzeneggar expected to make announcement on Tookie Williams Execution Clemency shortly according to Fox News.

[TChris]

this I tell ya brother, ya can't have one without the other.....

True, but having a lot more of one definitely does make a difference.

See here for more information on static electricity, for example. It's common for a person to have several thousand volts of static electricity built up on them. Even a small static spark discharges hundreds of volts. But, static discharges of this kind have very little current.

Compare that to an arc welder, which typically operates at only 15-30 volts. With one hundred amps or more, that spark is very different from a static spark of hundreds of volts.

Also, from here:

It's not the voltage but the current that kills. People have been killed by 100 volts AC in the home and with as little as 42 volts DC. The real measure of a shock's intensity lies in the amount of current (in milliamperes) forced through the body. Any electrical device used on a house wiring circuit can, under certain conditions, transmit a fatal amount of current.

Currents between 100 and 200 milliamperes (0.1 ampere and 0.2 ampere) are fatal.

[sure_fine]

I hope Gov Schwarzenegger doesn't say a word, just let it happen

[ktvaughn]

I completely agree. I think only the Lord should take a life--but the Good Book doesn't say anything about working them to death!

[goldstategop]

Just beautiful... the box is closing in on that scumbag and he's gasping for air. I'd say there's an Unseen Hand guiding the events. And I look forward to the Blessed Event tonight. Its long overdue.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

[Raycpa]

BEth, part of the process of our death penalty is for the governor to provide clemency when he sees fit. That is the same government tha Paul asks us to submit to.

Why should the clemency process be subject to mob rule?

[infidel29]

I was already corrected, but thanks for supplying more of the back story to the situation :-)

[Ciexyz]

I'm thinking of all those old black and white jailhouse movies that portrayed the agony of the ticking clock. The warden anxiously waits by the phone, just in case it rings with a reprieve.

[xusafflyer]

The candles are simply to light the Molotov cocktails.

Tis the season of burning things down...

[GasBagTeddy]

His decision has clearly been made. There must be a reason why he is waiting so long. My thoughts on the reason:

1 - less time for riots, and
2 - hoping some pathetic court issues a stay which prevents him from making the decision

[defenderSD]

I don't know why he's waited so long. Perhaps he's trying to give the gangbangers in South Central less time to prepare for a riot.

[RabidBartender]

I thought some Russian guy killed him in a boxing match. Adolph something or the other...


:p

[MEG33]

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=state&id=3716687
Clemency One Remaining Option

Dec. 12 - A last-ditch federal appeal and possible clemency by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger were the only options left to spare Stanley Tookie Williams from a looming execution, after the California Supreme Court refused to reopen his case late Sunday.



Barring either of those, the Crips co-founder was scheduled to die by lethal injection at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday for murdering four people in 1979. He would become the 12th condemned inmate executed since state lawmakers reinstated the death penalty in 1977 after a brief hiatus.

The state's high court unanimously ruled, 6-0, saying the last-minute appeal lacked merit and was untimely as well. The appeal said, among other things, that Williams should have been allowed to argue at his murder trial that someone else killed one of his four alleged victims.

The justices had turned down another appeal from Williams days earlier.

Immediately after the decision, Williams' lawyers filed a virtually identical petition with the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. A decision was expected Monday
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The federal court decision is the one just announced, the state court was announced late yesterday..
It's up to the Gov.

Now I have it straight!

[TChris]

See my post #541 on this thread.

[twigs]

I am for the death penalty, but the older I get, the more I question it. I still stay in the capital camp, but I do always think it through carefully and thank God each time that I'm not a governor with that decision to make. I don't join in the light-heartedness I see about it because I think death is always a sad event, regardless of the person dying and circumstances of his or her life.

[conservative physics]

This is a very interesting discussion. It never occurred to me that an atheist would be against the death penalty... I always assumed that people against the death penalty were misguided Christan's who were interpreting the bible improperly.

I respect your thoughts and appreciate your civil attitude. Although we obviously disagree. :)

[Ciexyz]

My Dad told me stories about executions up in State College PA (Centre County) in the 40's. When the executioner pulled down the switch for Old Sparky, the lights would flicker at Penn State.

[leila]

Fox News just stated again that it was the 9th Circuit Court that denied an appeal. The 9th Circuit Court is well-known for it's liberal point of view, and if they denied an appeal, then it's all over.

I predict that Governor Schwarzenegger will make an announcement later this afternoon, within hours of the scheduled execution, denying clemency.

[Howlin]

Do you not understand that you were WRONG?

Give it a rest.

[beaureguard]

I've enjoyed your debate. Too bad everyone on FR can't debate various issues like you two.

[Rummyfan]

Carl Weathers played Dillon and is still alive...

Bit of trivia.... the original Predator was Jean Claude Van Damme but the producers felt he was too short!