Posted on 12/12/2005 6:09:11 AM PST by Coop
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush is using a visit to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, birthplace of the U.S. Constitution, as a reminder before the Iraqi elections that the path to American democracy was not always easy either.
Pennsylvania also is the home state of a leading Iraq war critic, Democratic Rep. John Murtha, who planned to speak on Bush's heels and repeat his call to bring the troops home from a fight he says has become too violent and out of control...
Iraqis are preparing to vote under tight security to elect a 275-member parliament that will run the country for the next four years. The election will be the first under the new constitution ratified in an October 15 referendum and will complete the steps toward democratization following the ouster of Saddam Hussein's government.
Monday's Iraq speech is Bush's third, part of a campaign to win support for the mission, with most Americans saying in polls that they disapprove of his handling of the war. The speech is scheduled for 11:15 a.m. ET.
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Thank you for the reinforcement of what's in Scripture regarding the Israelites and their desire for a King.
Monday's Iraq speech is Bush's third, part of a campaign to win support for the mission, with most Americans saying in polls that they disapprove of his handling of the war. The speech is scheduled for 11:15 a.m. ET.
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President Discusses War on Terror and Upcoming Iraqi Elections (Transcript + press conf!!)
Whitehouse ^ | 12/12/05 | George W. Bush
Posted on 12/12/2005 5:21:59 PM CST by pissant
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Our American patriots did NOT wait for a foreign military to assist them in their quest for democracy, freedom, and taxation with representation.
Ah but w/o a certain foreign military, would we of won?
Another concern of course is the election of judges prior to the time of kings. This was not done by the people either. Call it a judge or a king, it was the will of God and those chosen were chosen by God not the masses
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Bush Compares U.S., Iraqi Roads to Democracy
American Forces Press Service ^ | Dec 12, 2005 | Donna Miles
Posted on 12/12/2005 6:45:20 PM EST by SandRat
WASHINGTON, Dec. 12, 2005 – President Bush traveled today to Philadelphia, the birthplace of U.S. democracy, to remind Americans about their own country's bumpy road to democracy and to underscore what he called "miraculous" political progress taking place in Iraq. Three days before Iraqis go to the polls to elect a 275-member parliament, Bush contrasted America's efforts to put a new democratic government in place with those being instituted at a relative lightning speed in Iraq.
America's founders endured naysayers and critics, repeatedly adjusting their approach as they worked toward a constitution that guaranteed personal freedoms, the president noted during his address to the World Affairs Council of Philadelphia.
"The eight years from the end of the Revolutionary War to the election of a constitutional government were a time of disorder and upheaval," Bush said. He pointed to a planned military coup that George Washington personally intervened to defuse, to tensions between the mercantile north and agricultural south, and to opposition from British loyalists who were opposed to independence.
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Do you see, by YOUR daily association with any Iraqi leaders, any character the likes of that in the framers of the Constitution for the united States?
We only have to know one factor. They are Muslims. We must not expect the character of a constitutional republic like that which existed in the original 13 States to be able to take root in any country dominated by an Islamic mind set.
Islamists will not even develop a parliamentary democracy anything close to that which exists in Great Britain.
What do you think the French were doing at Yorktown? Fishing?
Thank you for coming clean. Your honesty is refreshing, albeit rather disgusting.
Speaking as a historian, any comparison of these Islamic midgets to American and Godly giants such as Hamilton, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Washington, Adams and Mason isn't just an amusing false analogy; ...other than the accidental discovery of algebra, art that might appeal to some, and a few fairy tales involving flying carpets, the Arabic culture has contributed absolutely NOTHING to civilized society. Instead, the culture has concentrated on such barbaric practices as "honor killings," female circumcision, beheadings, and suicidal sacrifice for the hope of gaining 42 virgins in paradise. No, professor, these are dwarfs and I resent Bush's comparison to America's great founders--then, again, why should I expect a little "shrub" to appreciate the huge "Trees of Liberty"?
"Ah but w/o a certain foreign military, would we of won?"
Yes. The French waited until the war was won before entering the fray.
What do you think the French were doing at Yorktown? Fishing?"
No. Is it merely a coincidence that the French finally show up at the battle that caused the British to sign terms of surrender?
I was able to watch the speech AND the Q & A session afterwards last night on Cspan. I thought that he did a pretty good job. The Q & A was really good and I got a new tagline out of it.
I read that quote somewhere on this thread, I believe. It is a good tagline. :-)
I caught the re-run on C-Span last night and I'm really glad I did. I thought he presented a very clear picture of why we are there and why we have to see it through. I personally would rate this as one of his best.
Yes. The French waited until the war was won before entering the fray.
Really. The French gave support almost from the start.
I never compared the men to any of the Founding Fathers. All I said was that there were philosophers and great thinkers in the Islamic world...........and there were. That was what you were scoffing at out of your ignorance.
The presence of the barbarians does not negate the presence of those who are civil, intelligent and thoughtful. The culture and religion present great problems, but my whole point (which you apparently chose to miss) is that humans are humans...........created in God's image, with imagination, soul and a desire for God. The Islamic people are innately no different than we are.
One of the things that our freeing them has done is open these dark lands to the Light of the Gospel. The freedom our troops under our Commander in Chief have brought to them is more significant than you naysaying Bush bashers will ever admit.........but as one who has had a son in theatre, and as one who has been praying for the Iraqi people while I have prayed for our soldiers, I am extremely optimistic about what is going on.
It is not naive. It is faith, and confidence in the God who sent His Son to die for ALL people........not just Americans.
Which is why no one here has done that.
I have clarified what I said...........though it was self-evident from the beginning. Since you choose to argue with a point I never made, it's time for me to leave the discussion.
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