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(Bush Speech Live Thread) Bush to compare Iraqis to America's founders
CNN ^ | 12/12/05 | Unknown

Posted on 12/12/2005 6:09:11 AM PST by Coop

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush is using a visit to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, birthplace of the U.S. Constitution, as a reminder before the Iraqi elections that the path to American democracy was not always easy either.

Pennsylvania also is the home state of a leading Iraq war critic, Democratic Rep. John Murtha, who planned to speak on Bush's heels and repeat his call to bring the troops home from a fight he says has become too violent and out of control...

Iraqis are preparing to vote under tight security to elect a 275-member parliament that will run the country for the next four years. The election will be the first under the new constitution ratified in an October 15 referendum and will complete the steps toward democratization following the ouster of Saddam Hussein's government.

Monday's Iraq speech is Bush's third, part of a campaign to win support for the mission, with most Americans saying in polls that they disapprove of his handling of the war. The speech is scheduled for 11:15 a.m. ET.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush43; elections; foundingfathers; gnfi; iraq; iraqielection; iraqspeech; terrorism
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom; billbears

Thank you for the reinforcement of what's in Scripture regarding the Israelites and their desire for a King.


421 posted on 12/12/2005 8:27:39 PM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: ducks1944; Ragtime Cowgirl; Alamo-Girl; TrueBeliever9; maestro; TEXOKIE; My back yard; djreece; ...
Iraqis are preparing to vote under tight security to elect a 275-member parliament that will run the country for the next four years. The election will be the first under the new constitution ratified in an October 15 referendum and will complete the steps toward democratization following the ouster of Saddam Hussein's government.

Monday's Iraq speech is Bush's third, part of a campaign to win support for the mission, with most Americans saying in polls that they disapprove of his handling of the war. The speech is scheduled for 11:15 a.m. ET.

422 posted on 12/12/2005 8:49:50 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Howlin

Thanks for the ping!


423 posted on 12/12/2005 8:50:17 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia; All

President Discusses War on Terror and Upcoming Iraqi Elections (Transcript + press conf!!)
Whitehouse ^ | 12/12/05 | George W. Bush


Posted on 12/12/2005 5:21:59 PM CST by pissant
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1539088/posts


424 posted on 12/12/2005 8:51:38 PM PST by Valin (Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege)
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To: Blzbba

Our American patriots did NOT wait for a foreign military to assist them in their quest for democracy, freedom, and taxation with representation.


Ah but w/o a certain foreign military, would we of won?


425 posted on 12/12/2005 8:54:40 PM PST by Valin (Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom; ohioWfan
A couple of concerns that neither of you have (and can't) addressed. One being Moses, and Aaron afterwards, for one led the people as a king would. Most of the votes by the people on the way to the Promised Land were opposite of what God would have wanted. To suggest that God, Christ, or the Holy Spirit advocated democracy or any other sort of worldly government is disingenous at the very least

Another concern of course is the election of judges prior to the time of kings. This was not done by the people either. Call it a judge or a king, it was the will of God and those chosen were chosen by God not the masses

426 posted on 12/12/2005 9:01:25 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: All; Valin


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1539107/posts

Bush Compares U.S., Iraqi Roads to Democracy
American Forces Press Service ^ | Dec 12, 2005 | Donna Miles

Posted on 12/12/2005 6:45:20 PM EST by SandRat

WASHINGTON, Dec. 12, 2005 – President Bush traveled today to Philadelphia, the birthplace of U.S. democracy, to remind Americans about their own country's bumpy road to democracy and to underscore what he called "miraculous" political progress taking place in Iraq. Three days before Iraqis go to the polls to elect a 275-member parliament, Bush contrasted America's efforts to put a new democratic government in place with those being instituted at a relative lightning speed in Iraq.

America's founders endured naysayers and critics, repeatedly adjusting their approach as they worked toward a constitution that guaranteed personal freedoms, the president noted during his address to the World Affairs Council of Philadelphia.

"The eight years from the end of the Revolutionary War to the election of a constitutional government were a time of disorder and upheaval," Bush said. He pointed to a planned military coup that George Washington personally intervened to defuse, to tensions between the mercantile north and agricultural south, and to opposition from British loyalists who were opposed to independence.

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427 posted on 12/12/2005 9:03:35 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for the ping!


428 posted on 12/12/2005 9:46:49 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Coop

Do you see, by YOUR daily association with any Iraqi leaders, any character the likes of that in the framers of the Constitution for the united States?

We only have to know one factor. They are Muslims. We must not expect the character of a constitutional republic like that which existed in the original 13 States to be able to take root in any country dominated by an Islamic mind set.

Islamists will not even develop a parliamentary democracy anything close to that which exists in Great Britain.


429 posted on 12/12/2005 10:59:59 PM PST by Free Baptist
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To: Blzbba

What do you think the French were doing at Yorktown? Fishing?


430 posted on 12/12/2005 11:03:55 PM PST by carton253 (Al-Qa'eda are not the Viet Cong. If you exit, they'll follow. And Americans will die...)
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To: Free Baptist
We only have to know one factor. They are Muslims.

Thank you for coming clean. Your honesty is refreshing, albeit rather disgusting.

431 posted on 12/13/2005 4:31:19 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: ohioWfan
Read up a bit more on Islamic philosophers. You may be surprised that the stereotypic belief about Arabic people is quite wrong.

Speaking as a historian, any comparison of these Islamic midgets to American and Godly giants such as Hamilton, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Washington, Adams and Mason isn't just an amusing false analogy; ...other than the accidental discovery of algebra, art that might appeal to some, and a few fairy tales involving flying carpets, the Arabic culture has contributed absolutely NOTHING to civilized society. Instead, the culture has concentrated on such barbaric practices as "honor killings," female circumcision, beheadings, and suicidal sacrifice for the hope of gaining 42 virgins in paradise. No, professor, these are dwarfs and I resent Bush's comparison to America's great founders--then, again, why should I expect a little "shrub" to appreciate the huge "Trees of Liberty"?

432 posted on 12/13/2005 6:33:14 AM PST by meandog (FUDU)
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To: Valin

"Ah but w/o a certain foreign military, would we of won?"


Yes. The French waited until the war was won before entering the fray.


433 posted on 12/13/2005 6:33:34 AM PST by Blzbba ("Shop Smart. Shop S-Mart" - Ashe, Housewares)
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To: carton253

What do you think the French were doing at Yorktown? Fishing?"


No. Is it merely a coincidence that the French finally show up at the battle that caused the British to sign terms of surrender?


434 posted on 12/13/2005 6:34:28 AM PST by Blzbba ("Shop Smart. Shop S-Mart" - Ashe, Housewares)
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To: Coop

I was able to watch the speech AND the Q & A session afterwards last night on Cspan. I thought that he did a pretty good job. The Q & A was really good and I got a new tagline out of it.


435 posted on 12/13/2005 6:37:26 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty ("My job is to view this world as it is, not as we wish it to be." - President Bush, Dec. 12, 2005)
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To: Kerretarded

I read that quote somewhere on this thread, I believe. It is a good tagline. :-)


436 posted on 12/13/2005 6:41:51 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop

I caught the re-run on C-Span last night and I'm really glad I did. I thought he presented a very clear picture of why we are there and why we have to see it through. I personally would rate this as one of his best.


437 posted on 12/13/2005 6:47:20 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: Blzbba

Yes. The French waited until the war was won before entering the fray.

Really. The French gave support almost from the start.


438 posted on 12/13/2005 6:51:20 AM PST by Valin (Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege)
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To: meandog
Read up on the men I named. Though, unless you read Latin, you won't be able to read most of their erudite works.

I never compared the men to any of the Founding Fathers. All I said was that there were philosophers and great thinkers in the Islamic world...........and there were. That was what you were scoffing at out of your ignorance.

The presence of the barbarians does not negate the presence of those who are civil, intelligent and thoughtful. The culture and religion present great problems, but my whole point (which you apparently chose to miss) is that humans are humans...........created in God's image, with imagination, soul and a desire for God. The Islamic people are innately no different than we are.

One of the things that our freeing them has done is open these dark lands to the Light of the Gospel. The freedom our troops under our Commander in Chief have brought to them is more significant than you naysaying Bush bashers will ever admit.........but as one who has had a son in theatre, and as one who has been praying for the Iraqi people while I have prayed for our soldiers, I am extremely optimistic about what is going on.

It is not naive. It is faith, and confidence in the God who sent His Son to die for ALL people........not just Americans.

439 posted on 12/13/2005 7:06:57 AM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: billbears; mjaneangels@aolcom
To suggest that God, Christ, or the Holy Spirit advocated democracy or any other sort of worldly government is disingenous at the very least

Which is why no one here has done that.

I have clarified what I said...........though it was self-evident from the beginning. Since you choose to argue with a point I never made, it's time for me to leave the discussion.

440 posted on 12/13/2005 7:10:34 AM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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