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(Bush Speech Live Thread) Bush to compare Iraqis to America's founders
CNN ^ | 12/12/05 | Unknown

Posted on 12/12/2005 6:09:11 AM PST by Coop

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush is using a visit to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, birthplace of the U.S. Constitution, as a reminder before the Iraqi elections that the path to American democracy was not always easy either.

Pennsylvania also is the home state of a leading Iraq war critic, Democratic Rep. John Murtha, who planned to speak on Bush's heels and repeat his call to bring the troops home from a fight he says has become too violent and out of control...

Iraqis are preparing to vote under tight security to elect a 275-member parliament that will run the country for the next four years. The election will be the first under the new constitution ratified in an October 15 referendum and will complete the steps toward democratization following the ouster of Saddam Hussein's government.

Monday's Iraq speech is Bush's third, part of a campaign to win support for the mission, with most Americans saying in polls that they disapprove of his handling of the war. The speech is scheduled for 11:15 a.m. ET.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush43; elections; foundingfathers; gnfi; iraq; iraqielection; iraqspeech; terrorism
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To: Kimberly GG
they will use Murtha's 'expertise' about the military, to call for a draft.

LOL!!! I LAUGH at that!

361 posted on 12/12/2005 10:41:10 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Mo1

I missed him. How bad was he?


362 posted on 12/12/2005 10:41:39 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Mo1
A piece of Murtha's "response" was just on Fox. He repeated his claim that the US military is "not good at nation-building."

This senile old man needs to be boxed in both ears with two books. One is a history of General MacArthur's rebuilding of Japan after WW II. The other is the history of General Eisenhower's rebuilding of Germany after WW II.

Murtha has the bald-faced ignorance to say that "the presence of our troops builds hostility," and that "the military only destroys things."

Is this pompous fool who is outliving his 15 minutes of fame forgotten these two words: Nagasaki and Hiroshima? The Japanese had far more reason to hate Americans and not cooperate with the "occupation" (which Murtha decries) than the Iraqis now have, or ever will have.

History, which Bush has finally started to emphasize, demonstrates that Murtha is a walking, talking blithering idiot. I hope I'm not being too harsh on the gentleman. LOL.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "My Friend, Gene McCarthy, 1916-2005"

363 posted on 12/12/2005 10:42:06 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Do you think Fitzpatrick resembled Captain Queeg, coming apart on the witness stand?)
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To: Peach

He sounded like a moonbat


364 posted on 12/12/2005 10:42:17 AM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: Justanobody; Mo1
I think that he is definitely brodering on senility. Notice how he keeps quoting some irrelevant figure and then says "THAT should tell you something!" Then he never says WHAT it should tell us!

Fox went to Paris Hilton and then a discussion of Mike's date hitting on Father Morris (the young priest) at the Christmas party. I think this gives us a clue as to how relevant Murtha is. HA!

365 posted on 12/12/2005 10:42:18 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Mo1

Thanks Mo...I hope he did call him a fool! That would declare open season to call him a coward!


366 posted on 12/12/2005 10:42:49 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Miss Marple

LOL!


367 posted on 12/12/2005 10:43:14 AM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: Jemian
Four challenges; the first of which is security

You are so correct if I read you right. A successful election goes hand in hand with security forces.

368 posted on 12/12/2005 10:43:50 AM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: Mo1

Just listening to Murtha mumbling and rambling on about his views of the Middle East how we are doing is a disgrace. A Sheer and utter disgrace. To every man and woman who has fought for freedom in this country since the beginning.

He knows it too. Thats what is ironic about it.

Thats why he had the look of sheer anxiety in his eyes while he was spouting this verbal vomit disguised as a speech, and thats why he never even bothered to comb his hair before he came on camera.

I dont care what medals and awards he may have earned, or what his pay grade was when he retired, his speech just gave the meaning of collaboration with the enemy a new definition.

He isnt advocating the advancement of freedom. He is advocating the continuance of the status quo of Dictators, Kings, and established tyranny in the Middle East. Listen to how he described his talk with King Fahd.

Either he just doesnt get it, and he never will, or he sold out to the moonbats to gain something.


369 posted on 12/12/2005 10:44:49 AM PST by judicial meanz (Progressive liberals and Stalinists; tell me exactly where they are different in their beliefs?)
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To: Mo1

Must be because he has become a moonbat. LOL


370 posted on 12/12/2005 10:44:50 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
This senile old man needs to be boxed in both ears with two books. One is a history of General MacArthur's rebuilding of Japan after WW II. The other is the history of General Eisenhower's rebuilding of Germany after WW II.

Calling him senile would be an excuse

This Moonbat actually believes what he says

371 posted on 12/12/2005 10:45:09 AM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: Mo1

Did we also loose the hearts and minds of the Germans, Italians,Japanese, South Koreans, South Vietnamese , Kuwaitis, Mexicans,and God knows who else?


372 posted on 12/12/2005 10:45:23 AM PST by woofie (John Wilkes Booth thought he was a patriot too)
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To: Miss Marple
Then he never says WHAT it should tell us!

LOL - Lord knows I don't know what to think about what he says, unless he tells me. LOL

373 posted on 12/12/2005 10:45:49 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: KevinDavis
We did not have help?! We did not have help?! You need to read a history book. Without General Lafayette and his troops and Admiral deGrasse and his fleet we would have lost that war. Without the French participation, we would be playing "God Save the Queen" before our NFL games.

Read, and learn.

John / Billybob
374 posted on 12/12/2005 10:46:15 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Do you think Fitzpatrick resembled Captain Queeg, coming apart on the witness stand?)
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To: KevinDavis
Here is another thing.. We formed our Government ourselves. We did not have any help

We did have help in fighting for it .. just like the Iraqis

You might want to read up on your history

375 posted on 12/12/2005 10:49:13 AM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: Peach
Must be because he has become a moonbat. LOL

I wish the media played his comments for a bit longers .. he is such a moonbat *L*

376 posted on 12/12/2005 10:50:55 AM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

I couldn't belieive the (words), excuse me, lies that were coming out of Murtha's mouth.

Pennsylvania voters -- please unelect this dimwit.


377 posted on 12/12/2005 10:53:48 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Eva
No, you are wrong.

I may have used inartful pharasing, but I believe I am correct that the reason given for regime change was to protect America against a terrorist threat, facilitated by Saddam's regime. A side benefit to that is "democracy for Iraqis," and whatever benefits flow to the US and the world from that.

Am I to understand your position to be that President Bush's first goal was establishment of a beach head for Democracy in the center of the Middle East?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030317-7.html
President Says Saddam Hussein Must Leave Iraq Within 48 Hours

That's where the WMDs came in, as an over simplification.

Oh. Okay. If you say so.

378 posted on 12/12/2005 10:55:40 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: CharlesWayneCT; billbears
I never said the Bible provided support for democracy.

I said that God gave us the desire to be free.

BIG difference.

379 posted on 12/12/2005 11:03:29 AM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: billbears
You greatly underestimate the Iraqi people, bill.

Great philosophers and thinkers have come from that region.

I believe that America is exceptional, but one of the things that is exceptional in this country is that our Founders wrote within the founding documents the need to overcome innate sin with checks and balances, and drew our laws from God's laws.

The Iraqi people are no more sinful than American people, and if safeguards have been written into their constitution, they have every chance of success.

(And don't confuse optimism with being a 'pollyanna.' Just because you are a pessimist doesn't mean that the President who is not, is simplistic).

Off to work.....

380 posted on 12/12/2005 11:09:47 AM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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