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(Bush Speech Live Thread) Bush to compare Iraqis to America's founders
CNN ^ | 12/12/05 | Unknown

Posted on 12/12/2005 6:09:11 AM PST by Coop

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush is using a visit to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, birthplace of the U.S. Constitution, as a reminder before the Iraqi elections that the path to American democracy was not always easy either.

Pennsylvania also is the home state of a leading Iraq war critic, Democratic Rep. John Murtha, who planned to speak on Bush's heels and repeat his call to bring the troops home from a fight he says has become too violent and out of control...

Iraqis are preparing to vote under tight security to elect a 275-member parliament that will run the country for the next four years. The election will be the first under the new constitution ratified in an October 15 referendum and will complete the steps toward democratization following the ouster of Saddam Hussein's government.

Monday's Iraq speech is Bush's third, part of a campaign to win support for the mission, with most Americans saying in polls that they disapprove of his handling of the war. The speech is scheduled for 11:15 a.m. ET.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush43; elections; foundingfathers; gnfi; iraq; iraqielection; iraqspeech; terrorism
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To: ichabod1

Yep, Podhoretz dissects their motivation well in his analysis of that comment. It's a lengthy article, 14 pages printed out in MS Word, but overall a good one.


261 posted on 12/12/2005 9:17:35 AM PST by prairiebreeze (I am unapologetically and enthusiastically celebrating CHRISTMAS!!)
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To: Mo1
You mean like Howard the coward Dean ??

Howie, Hillie, Bubba, et al. They're always preaching to the converted. Hillie's infamous in NYS for her parachute drop-style public appearances. LOL. That ain't gonna go over well in a national campaign.

262 posted on 12/12/2005 9:17:46 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: ohioWfan

He knocked another out of the park today


263 posted on 12/12/2005 9:17:53 AM PST by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: Coop

Crissy Matthews is now putting his MSM spin on what President Bush really said.


264 posted on 12/12/2005 9:18:15 AM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: conservativebabe

I know it started with a "P"! LOL!


265 posted on 12/12/2005 9:18:39 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom-What fools they are who doubt the ability of liberty to triumph over despotism)
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To: Jake The Goose

Bush only knows how to talk straight. The man CANNOT mince words. He looks like an utter fool when he tries. He needs to have somebody better than McClellan to mince words for him. And keep quiet except when he's going to talk turkey. Because when he gives it to you straight, he's a Mensch.


266 posted on 12/12/2005 9:18:52 AM PST by ichabod1 (The left only wants the troops home so they can spit on them. Again.)
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To: Carolinamom

That little jab would have only been better had he said, "I thought I should insert a little Scottish law, Senator." .....which I know the President wouldn't do!


267 posted on 12/12/2005 9:19:17 AM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: Coop
There's not a soul in the entire world that can honestly say Iraq did NOT have WMDs.

Absolutely. Perhaps a retard. Saddam had 'em, he hid 'em, he was buying them.

But I swear I've never heard it uttered that "knowing what I know now" I'd still do the same thing. Which, I agree. All this about missing "wmd's", everyone knows it's a straw man. But I really don't recall the prez or anyone else in the admin say it quite that way.

268 posted on 12/12/2005 9:19:22 AM PST by Fishtalk (Pop Culture and Political Pundit-http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: NorthWstPHD
...even though we all at one time doubt(ed) his capibilities at one time or another...

Not true for "ALL OF US".

269 posted on 12/12/2005 9:19:23 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: freema
My take on it was, that he was justified, with or without WMD's -that they weren't the be all and end all of the decision (as opponents would like the world to believe)

Where did the Dems think AQ and its ilk were gonna go after Afghanistan was no longer a terrorist safe haven? What did they think was going on at places like Salman Pak for pete's sake. A Boy Scout jamboree?

270 posted on 12/12/2005 9:19:44 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: MJY1288
That was the best speech I've heard the President give in a long time. This was a Lib Idiots shove it up your a*s speech.
271 posted on 12/12/2005 9:20:25 AM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Fishtalk
Some idiot asked about 9-11 and the connect to Iraq then the Iraq invasion. Bush is giving the politically correct answer but damn just once I'd like to hear him state that there WERE connections between Saddam and Al-Queda. Then list them.

The question was a connection between 9/11 and Iraq .. not between Saddam and Al-Queda

That is why he didn't go down that road

The media would claim the President said there was a connection if he asnwered the question like that

272 posted on 12/12/2005 9:20:27 AM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: Coop; RetiredArmy; cake_crumb; CaptRon; ohioWfan; Jemian; milagro; Vn_survivor_67-68; All

received this in an email today:

http://oldbluejacket.com/General_Patton_Message.htm


273 posted on 12/12/2005 9:21:11 AM PST by toldyou
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To: Rummyfan

Whenever Bush talks in prime time, people whine that he is pre-empting American Idol or whatever.


274 posted on 12/12/2005 9:21:19 AM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: ohioWfan; billbears

I sort of agree with Billbears, the bible does not provide support for democracy. Choice, yes, democracy, no.

But God did not give Israel a king -- because God was their king. But the people didn't like God being their king, they wanted someone they could SEE, so God gave them a king, and told them they would regret it -- and they did.

Our relationship with God is King and slave/servant/subject. We will be like sons/daughters. We are to live like communists, only in its perfect form where everybody gets what they need, and everybody delightedly gives what they can afford.

Communism is not evil, it is simply unworkable in a fallen world. Democracy is amoral at best. God put together a heirarchical ruler/servant society at all levels -- God/man, priests/subjects, councils/people, man/woman, parent/child.


275 posted on 12/12/2005 9:21:52 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Peach

My guess is that the administration was careful not to use 9/11 as a reason to go to war because they could not establish a clear link to the attackers (they were Saudis). So, now he is not going to even admit that there were many less direct links. Someone, maybe Rove, has decided that it is better to keep the spread of Democracy as the focus. Linking Iraq to 9/11 would make it seem more like retribution and imperialist conquering.


276 posted on 12/12/2005 9:22:43 AM PST by Eva
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To: Peach

The speech to the World Affairs Council in Philadelphia

The live feed in Philly is still going on

http://nbc10.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=137948


277 posted on 12/12/2005 9:22:47 AM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: ichabod1

Yup. And it will happen over my dead body.


278 posted on 12/12/2005 9:23:53 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom-What fools they are who doubt the ability of liberty to triumph over despotism)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Christianity means I share with you.

Communism means you take from me at the point of a gun.

That's the difference.


279 posted on 12/12/2005 9:23:55 AM PST by ichabod1 (The left only wants the troops home so they can spit on them. Again.)
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To: Peach

Grrr ... The live feed just went down


280 posted on 12/12/2005 9:23:55 AM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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