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(Bush Speech Live Thread) Bush to compare Iraqis to America's founders
CNN ^ | 12/12/05 | Unknown

Posted on 12/12/2005 6:09:11 AM PST by Coop

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush is using a visit to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, birthplace of the U.S. Constitution, as a reminder before the Iraqi elections that the path to American democracy was not always easy either.

Pennsylvania also is the home state of a leading Iraq war critic, Democratic Rep. John Murtha, who planned to speak on Bush's heels and repeat his call to bring the troops home from a fight he says has become too violent and out of control...

Iraqis are preparing to vote under tight security to elect a 275-member parliament that will run the country for the next four years. The election will be the first under the new constitution ratified in an October 15 referendum and will complete the steps toward democratization following the ouster of Saddam Hussein's government.

Monday's Iraq speech is Bush's third, part of a campaign to win support for the mission, with most Americans saying in polls that they disapprove of his handling of the war. The speech is scheduled for 11:15 a.m. ET.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush43; elections; foundingfathers; gnfi; iraq; iraqielection; iraqspeech; terrorism
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To: milagro

"What we are doing is bigger than the bomb[s]." Now that's powerful!"

Worth repeating!



141 posted on 12/12/2005 8:42:57 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Jemian

The 2nd is forming an inclusive government with the participation of all Iraqis. Two-thirds of the new parliment must agree on the top leadership postsIt will require compromise on many key issues.


142 posted on 12/12/2005 8:43:14 AM PST by Jemian (Santa is wearing desert camouflage and delivering freedom in Iraq. ~ Sgt. Joshua Howser)
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To: freema

AMEN!


143 posted on 12/12/2005 8:43:30 AM PST by milagro
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To: milagro

Yes it is and it's taking hold, even with the Sunnis....

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2005/12/they-finally-are-beginning-to-get-it.html


144 posted on 12/12/2005 8:43:42 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: Jemian

The third challenge is establishing the rule of law. These will require overcoming ethic challenges and the temptation to take the law into their own hands.


145 posted on 12/12/2005 8:44:07 AM PST by Jemian (Santa is wearing desert camouflage and delivering freedom in Iraq. ~ Sgt. Joshua Howser)
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To: milagro

Oops, meant #132


146 posted on 12/12/2005 8:44:11 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom-What fools they are who doubt the ability of liberty to triumph over despotism)
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To: Jemian

The man who once struck fear in the hearts of Iraqis is on trial in Baghdad. The rule of the tyrant is replaced with the rule of law.


147 posted on 12/12/2005 8:45:16 AM PST by Jemian (Santa is wearing desert camouflage and delivering freedom in Iraq. ~ Sgt. Joshua Howser)
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To: traderrob6

Just walked in the door and listening...


148 posted on 12/12/2005 8:45:17 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: MEG33
Well, we have now met every electoral deadline. In the beginning, the Dems used to tell us that there was no way that the Iraqi's would be ready to vote in their representatives on schedule. They stopped with that nonesense after it became clear that we were meeting deadline after deadline.

Their newest tactic is to lobby for deadlines that will insure failure.

149 posted on 12/12/2005 8:46:22 AM PST by NeonKnight
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To: Peach

As Iraqis develop the habits of liberty they will gain confidence in the future. The fourth challenge is to maintain democracy in a tough neighborhood.


150 posted on 12/12/2005 8:46:25 AM PST by Jemian (Santa is wearing desert camouflage and delivering freedom in Iraq. ~ Sgt. Joshua Howser)
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To: STARWISE

The American people will stand with the Iraqi people against the threats from its neighbors (Iran and Syria)


151 posted on 12/12/2005 8:47:06 AM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Peach

Respectful silence from the audience, but I would like to HEAR more response from them.


152 posted on 12/12/2005 8:47:23 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: ohioWfan
when God made the first man and woman with the desire in their hearts to be free

Interesting. And yet the same God gave the peoples of the Old Testament a king to rule over them. Or was Kind David elected in some sort of democratic principle I've never heard of? Did the Israeli people elect Moses or Aaron as well? So I guess God didn't put the democratic spirit into Adam and Eve. Or at least the desire to 'be free' in the sense as you put it.

It is apples and oranges to compare the regime change in Iraq (at least the third change to that nation by Western powers in this century alone, but this time it will be different we promise) to the founding of this nation of states and is disingenous at best. But as I said the masses won't know and even fewer will care

153 posted on 12/12/2005 8:47:28 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: NeonKnight

As more Arab states recognize the new Iraq is here to stay they will give the Iraqi nation more support.


154 posted on 12/12/2005 8:47:29 AM PST by Jemian (Santa is wearing desert camouflage and delivering freedom in Iraq. ~ Sgt. Joshua Howser)
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To: ohioWfan
The choice in Iraq is between democracy and terrorism and there is no middle ground.

Talking about Iraq's neighbors in the ME

155 posted on 12/12/2005 8:48:11 AM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Carolinamom

He's asking those who have pledged financial support to make good on their pledges.


156 posted on 12/12/2005 8:48:23 AM PST by Jemian (Santa is wearing desert camouflage and delivering freedom in Iraq. ~ Sgt. Joshua Howser)
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To: ohioWfan
I think it is those who think that we are superior by nature that refuse to see that democracy in the Middle East is possible

Friends of mine from the left have said to me more than once that some people aren't ready for or capable of democracy. I am always stunned that those who portray themselves as tolerant and inclusive could say these things...it says much about them. It's no wonder they are fans of every social engineering program that comes alonge here...they are trying to overcome their own dark hearts.

157 posted on 12/12/2005 8:48:41 AM PST by Dolphy
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To: ohioWfan

Build Iraq to fight terror. Build a souce which will fight terror in the ME.

They require our support.


158 posted on 12/12/2005 8:49:26 AM PST by Jemian (Santa is wearing desert camouflage and delivering freedom in Iraq. ~ Sgt. Joshua Howser)
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To: Dolphy

Iraqi people will have the only constitutional democracy in the middle east world.


159 posted on 12/12/2005 8:50:25 AM PST by Jemian (Santa is wearing desert camouflage and delivering freedom in Iraq. ~ Sgt. Joshua Howser)
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To: TomGuy

I agree with you, TomGuy. The more people who heard this excellent speech the better. But some freepers would prefer to condemn someone for making such a simple suggestion.


160 posted on 12/12/2005 8:50:34 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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