Stop Erecting of Statue of Genocide Leader Ataturk in Rome!

Action Commitees of Armenia and Greece ^ | December 11, 2005 | International Armenian Network

[eleni121]

Please click the following link and send an email to the Mayor of Rome protesting the erection of a mass murderer Mustafa kemal Ataturk.

http://www.ian.cc/acciones.php

[eleni121]

In this case "nature" happens to be the Mayor of Rome who seems to have no problem erecting a statue of a mass murderer.

[so_real]

It is not the U.S. citizen's job to make recommendations to foreign governments regarding to whom they raise statues in honor. I desire foreign governments to keep their noses out of my affairs, and as such I show them the same courtesy. Regardless, I would recommend all FReepers learn something about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk before even dreaming about offering such commentary.

[eleni121]

There is absolutely no need to place a statue of this monster in Rome - and indeed he was - to commemorate what? The ethnic cleansing of several millions of Christians?

You must be too removed from the actual events that took place but there are many thousands of descendants of those who suffered and died for whom this action represents a disrespectful slap in the face.

Kind of like a statue of Stalin set up in Ukraine.

[Panerai]

I can think of many women who can get that title, for starters most Victoria's Secret models :)

[eleni121]

The real Mustafa as opposed to the cleaned up one by Turks.

Don't be so gullible.

http://imia.cc.duth.gr/turkey/chro.e.html

[eleni121]

Oh and by the way, any American citizen is free to say what he/she wants to any government he/she wants.

Who assigned you to the role of monitor/censor?

[JNL]

1. Political Reforms

Abolisment of the office of the Sultan (November 1922)

Proclamation of the Republic (29 October 1923)

Abolishment of the caliph (3 March 1924)

2. Social Reforms

Recognition of equal rights to men and women (1926 - 1934)

Reform of Headgear and Dress (25 November 1925)

Closure of mausoleums and dervish lodges (30 November 1925)

Law on family names (21 June 1934)

Abolisment of titles and by-names (26 November 1934)

Adoption of international calendar, hours and measurements (1925 - 1931)

3. Legal Reforms

Abolishment of the Canon Law (1924 - 1937)

Transfer to a secular law structure by adoption of Turkish Civil Code and other laws (1924 - 1937)

4. Reforms in the fields of education and culture

Unification of education (3 March 1924)

Adoption of new Turkish alphabet (1 November 1928)

Establishment of Turkish Language and History Institutions (1931 - 1932)

Regulation of the university education (31 May 1933)

Innovations in fine arts

5. Economic Reforms

Abolution of tithe

Encouragement of the farmers

Establishment of model farms

Establishment of industrial facilities, and putting into effect a law for Incentives for the Industry

Putting into effect Ist and IInd Development Plans (1933-1937), to develop transportation networks.

"However he was not a Christian, a given. OTOH be careful of whom you accuse of genocide:

"However, Ataturk was not a mass murderer or supporter of genocide. Armenians’ principle accusation is that he was responsible for a giant fire that destroyed much of Smyrna when he captured the city from the Greeks during the War of Independence, but in truth, the source of the fire has not been conclusively proven, with both sides blaming the other. Individual Turkish soldiers did most definitely commit war crimes during the course of the war, and of course the non-Turkish populations fleeing the war as refugees suffered many troubles, but Ataturk definitely did not order any organized attempts at genocide."

http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/bios/b2ataturkkemal.htm

So what I see is a guy who loved his country and took it into the 20th Century kicking and screaming. You're accuastions of genocide are weak at best.

Someone who says it better than I:

"Go and find me a published encylopedia which accuses Ataturk of sanctioning a genocide, find me a published encylopedia which says Turks raped, pillaged, massacred and set fire to Smyrna, find me a published encylopedia which has a section entitled "Turkish government denial" of an Armenian genocide."

Obviously I will not sign your peitition. Rewrite history somewhere else.

[M203M4]

This thread should stimulate a lot of interesting discussion. Many will rise up against the statue's erection - support will swell if you can arouse more interest. People should also not be so hard on you for the title of the thread.

A full blooded response is what is needed here. No half-cocked, soft, or lukewarm action will suffice - passions need to be raging, hot, and the message needs to be pounded home. This erection cannot take place.

Too bad the petition is in Italian...

[Panerai]

Post # 28 is brilliant :-))))))))

[beaver fever]

The Pope is trying to trying to improve relations with the Eastern Church and now this.

The Greeks still talk about the Massacre on the Island of Cios.

The Greeks will not be pleased.

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I would sign it, but, I can't read the language.

[eleni121]

Now you can't be serious.,.an intelligent wordy guy like you can't figure out a little Italian. All you have to do is sign your name and a couple of other items.

As for your precious allegory: cute, but irrevelant to the discussion.

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Thanks for the info. I'm glad I read your post before I signed.

[eleni121]

Glorifying a pedophile and butcher appears to fit your definition of a "reformer".

In fact everything you have posted comes from propaganda mill sites. You really need to speak to the descendants and survivors of the monster Ataturk. Do you dare? I doubt it.

You've bought the lies hook line and sinker.

[fallujah-nuker]

"Who remembers the Armenians?"

[eleni121]

It's not just the Greeks of course. The major genocide of the 20th century was also commited against the Armenian and Assyrian Christians. Muslim Turks did a good job of eliminating any trace of Christianity in Anatolia.

[Nonstatist]

Attatuck kept Turkey out of the hands of the Islamofascists and well into the Western orbit. He deserves our thanks for that.

[Panerai]

Interesting growing list of keywords at top of page: " ARMENIA; ASSYRIANS; ATATURK; BONER; CIALIS; ERECTION; FLACCID; GENOCIDE; GREECE; IMPOTENT; LEVETRA; LIMP; STATUE; STIFF; TURKEY; VIAGRA; WOODIE;"

[eleni121]

Did the Turkophile also describe the genocide of 2 million Chrstians that took place in Turkey and the fact that Turks still oppress the few minorities still living there?

But then knowing that you wouldn't sign anyway...

[JNL]

No I've asked for published proof. Last time I checked my bathroom wall still holds my degree in history.

Further my Grandfather was at Gallipoli (a gunner on the british side) so no love lost on this guy. However, you just simply state a few "facts" with no proof and expect me to accept them.