Posted on 12/11/2005 1:21:23 AM PST by truthseeker8459
Edited on 12/11/2005 1:54:41 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
I discovered this site while Googling to research a statement I heard on a radio talk show that Cindy Sheehan had said "America is not worth dying for". The quote is an easily verifiable falsehood- which only serves as a backdrop for my comments here.
I discovered a thread on this site, based on the above Sheehan quote, that was filled with vitriol towards her. One person, however, pointed out (rather mildly) that there was some question as to the veracity of the quote, and she was labeled as a "Troll". Not being terribly familiar with forums I can only assume that the term refers to someone who doesn't really belong here, and is kind of sneaking around trying to deposit heresy. Since this site seems to be dedicated to extreme right-wing ideology and I am not an extreme right-wing ideologue, I guess I must be a troll. Therefore I'll spread my heresy and move on.
Is the only purpose of these forums for you all to pat each other on the backs for agreeing with each other? Is dissent so distasteful to you that it can only be met with insult? If so, I pity you.
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Transcript of Sheehan Speech at a Pro-Stewart Rally held April 27, 2005 at San Francisco State University.
"Cindy Sheehan (Military Families Speak Out; Goldstar Families for Peace; her son Casey was killed in the Iraq War)
First, I want to give my little story about Lynne. Of course, you all have read To Kill a Mockingbird. Lynne is my human Atticus Finch. He did what he knew was right, but wasn’t popular. And that’s what Lynne is doing. {applause} We are not waging a war on terror in this country. We’re waging a war of terror. The biggest terrorist in the world is George W. Bush. {applause}
How many more people are we going to let him kill before we stop him? I’m going to talk about free speech and recruitment. Do you know that it costs $66,000 to recruit one recruit? That’s continuing all of their – you know, the recruiter’s salary, the recruiter’s bonus, the place that they rent to recruit and things like that. All the perks they get and everything. That’s not even training the recruit. It costs our government about $6,000 a year on each child in California. $46,000 a year to house a prisoner in our state. Our priorities are seriously screwed up, as I mentioned.
I really want to thank you guys for doing this, especially the young people. It gives me so much hope to know that there’s young people who care more about who’s our next American Idol – less about that. You guys care more about people being killed. There’s too many that care more about the next American Idol. Too many people in our country that don’t even really know we have a war going on. You know, they never have to think of the war, and I’ll never, ever forget this war. I can never forget it, even when I’m sleeping {tears} I know that we’re in a war and I know that George Bush and his band of neo-cons and their neo-con agenda killed my son. And I’ll never, ever, ever forget.
I take responsibility partly for my son’s death, too. I was raised in a country by a public school system that taught us that America was good, that America was just. America has been killing people, like my sister over here says, since we first stepped on this continent, we have been responsible for death and destruction. I passed on that bullshit to my son and my son enlisted. I’m going all over the country telling moms: “This country is not worth dying for. If we’re attacked, we would all go out. We’d all take whatever we had. I’d take my rolling pin and I’d beat the attackers over the head with it. But we were not attacked by Iraq. {applause} We might not even have been attacked by Osama bin Laden if {applause}. 9/11 was their Pearl Harbor to get their neo-con agenda through and, if I would have known that before my son was killed, I would have taken him to Canada. I would never have let him go and try and defend this morally repugnant system we have. The people are good, the system is morally repugnant. {applause}
Please – teach your babies, teach your babies better than I taught my babies. When Congress gave George Bush the right to go to war, they abrogated their constitutional responsibilities and they basically made our constitution null and void. We have no checks and balances in this country. We have no recourse. If they’re going to what they did to Lynne, they don’t have backs they call names, what we need to be is, we the people, we’re their checks and balances. We’re the only checks and balances. We have to stand up and say, Not only is this our school, this is our country. We want our country back and, if we have to impeach everybody from George Bush down to the person who picks up dog shit in Washington, we will impeach all those people. Our country needs to {unintelligible} we need to start over again.
I just want to say that you students, Students Against War, you have all my support and all my organization’s support. I told Kristen if you have any actions and you need a ringleader, that I only live about an hour away. I’ll be here. If I can sleep on somebody’s floor, we can have this, we can camp out, do whatever we need.
And I just want to way to George Bush and I want to say to the people who are here, that are still sheep {unintelligible} and following him blindly: if George Bush believes his rhetoric and his bullshit, that this is a war for freedom and democracy, that he is spreading freedom and democracy, does he think every person he kills makes Iraq more free? It doesn’t make us more free. It damages our humanity. The whole world is damaged. Our humanity is damaged. If he thinks that it’s so important for Iraq to have a U.S.-imposed sense of freedom and democracy, then he needs to sign up his two little party-animal girls. They need to go this war. They need to fight because a just war, the definition of a just war, and maybe you people here who still think this is a just war, the definition of a just war is one that you would send your own children to die in. That you would go die in yourself. And you aren’t willing to send your own children, or if you’re not willing to go die yourself, then you bring there rest of our kids home now. It is despicable what they’re doing. {applause}
What they’re saying, too, is like, it’s okay for Israel to have nuclear weapons. But Iran or Syria better not get nuclear weapons. It’s okay for the United States to have nuclear weapons. It’s okay for the countries that we say it’s okay for. We are waging a nuclear war in Iraq right now. That country is contaminated. It will be contaminated for practically eternity now. It’s okay for them to have them, but Iran or Syria can’t have them. It’s okay for Israel to occupy Palestine, but it’s – yeah – and it’s okay for Iraq to occupy – I mean, for the United States to occupy Iraq, but it’s not okay for Syria to be in Lebanon. They’re a bunch of fucking hypocrites! And we need to, we just need to rise up. We need a revolution and make it be peaceful and make it be loving and let’s just show them all the love we have for humanity because we want to stop the inhumane slaughter.
{wild applause}"
I loved the part where 'toothseeker' claimed that Sheehag never said that America isn't worth dying for.
I guess he never heard the audio, saw the video, or read the transcripts of that one..
Facts=insults in your warped universe..
Trolls never hear what they don't want to hear. Oh well, he's been zotted, time for football.
Had some guy wander in yesterday or so whining about the GOP ad that needles the Dims on their Cut and Run speeches.
He said it was an attack ad.
I asked him how playing audio and video of the Dims actual words was an attack.
Now that the Admin Moderator has proven your assertion to be false, will you continue to lie?
I'm guessing so.
I think that the truth is the last thing you're seeking.
I've been told that even the fish are complaining about being wrapped in the N.Y. Times.
"Even a leftist should appreciate that irony."
You're joking, right? Since when have leftists every been capable of that degree of introspection? We're talking about the same typde of people who support abortion and call vets "baby killers".
BARRISTER JAMES & ASSOCIATES,
LONDON,ENGLAND.
EMAIL..barriserjamesade100@yahoo.co.uk
I am sorry for contacting you through this medium without aprevious notice, I had to use E-mail because it is an easier and more confidential way of making contact with people around the world.
My name is Barrister JAMES ADE, a fifty two (52) years old ,Attorney in practice here in London. I had a client by name Engr.Daniel Buttah who is a national of your country and contractor based here in london now deceased. My client lost his life alongside hiswife and only child on the 27th of January 2002 while he was travelling.
Prior to the Death of my Late Client,He secured a $12,000,000.00 million in a security finance company here in London. As his personal Attorney,I have been officially notified and instructed by the SECURITY FINANCE where the money is currently deposited that I should provide and forward the Particulars of Engr.DANIEL next of kin so that the Funds in his Account can be remitted into his Next of Kin's Account in accordance with BRITISH Laws.
However, as the personal attorney and close confidant of late Engr.DANIEL,I want you to know that My late Client died interstate,i.e,He died without leaving a Will. Hence,all my efforts to locate any of his relative whom I can present to the Bank as his next of kin has proved abortive.
Therefore I am seeking for your consent to present you as the deceased relative/next of kin and subsequently the beneficiary of the fund so that the proceed of this account valued at $12,000,000.00 Million can be paid to you for subsequent disbursement between you and me. If you can cooperate with me and receive this funds as next of kin to late Engr.DANIEL,confirm your interest by contacting me through my confidential email above.I can assure you that the deal is 100% risk free because i am in possesion of the deceased personal file which contains all information which I shall use to prove your relationship with the deceased therefore the money will be paid into the account of whomever I present as LATE Engr.DANIEL's Next of kin with proofs that I will present to the bank when needed.
When I receive a positive response and after proper discussion with you,I will furnish you with all the relevant information that will facilitate the release of the Funds to you An Application will have to be filed to the Bank for processing of the release of the Funds into your nominated Bank account any where in the world. Send me your private phone and fax numbers for easy communication.
I wait to hear from you.
Barrister JAMES ADE.
LOL! I saw that. That was hilrious. My guess was that he ws a DUmmy who supported her regardless of the facts.
Probably.
*chuckle*
Wonder if toothseeker is still reading this.
LOL I hope he is still reading this. Crush its morale ehehe
That would be excellent.
Hehe it would indeed :)
It is more than obvious that you are anything but a "truthseeker".
Good god, Rummy is starting to look more like the Grim Reaper every day.
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