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THE COMING ISLAMIC WORLD WAR (AND THE WEST'S INEVITABLE TRIUMPH [VANITY])
self ^ | Nov 26, 2005 | Edward Watson

Posted on 11/26/2005 8:55:50 AM PST by Edward Watson

It is not politically-correct to say it, but it is nonetheless true: “Islam cannot peacefully co-exist with other faiths from a position of strength or equality.” It was, is, and always will be a conquering, xenophobic philosophy (Browne, 2005; Bostom, 2005; Trifkovic, 2002). Mohammed was a conqueror who killed and enslaved thousands, who forced people at sword-point to convert, who taught Muslims have a divine right to rule over all, and Muslims have a duty to spread Islam by word or by conquest. Not once in its 1400-year history do we find it accepting other faiths as equals (Koran 5:51,57; 8:65; 22:19-23; 40:67-73; 43:74; 76:1-5; 98:1-8; etc.). Not once do we observe it practice benevolence without coercion, or peaceful co-existence when it comprises a majority of a population (Koran 9:29). The current conflict between Islam and the West is nothing new or unique. This “clash of civilizations” (Huntington, 1996; Wall, 2001; Blankley, 2005) is not a “Muslim vs. Christian” conflict. It is a “Muslim vs. Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, Baha’i, Zoroaster, animist, atheist, agnostic and even fellow-Muslim” conflict. Islam is the only religion that is currently engaged in over two dozen military conflicts all over the world (e.g., Nigeria, Ethiopia, Kashmir, Sudan, Kosovo, Chechnya, Israel, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, etc.). In short, Islam is engaged in jihad against every other religious group in the world. Why? Because the Koran tells Muslims to convert non-Muslims, by force if necessary, and kill or enslave those who refuse to convert (Koran 5:33-36; 8:12; 9:5,29-31,73,123; 47:4; etc.).

Westerners have a serious flaw: we believe people everywhere are just like us with identical values. We believe human rights and dignity is the norm and religion is something private and must not be condemned or opposed in any way. We simply cannot imagine the Islamists are serious when they say they want to kill us, not because of anything we have done, but because of who we are: the kafir, the infidels, the unbelievers. They tell us they want to kill us (May, 2005). They say straight out our only option is to submit to Islam or die (Warraq, 1993). They behead or blow up civilians whose only crime is they weren’t Muslims or the right kind of Muslims. They say they will continue coming into our lands until they are in such numbers that they will change our countries into Islamic states. And yet, we still refuse to believe these people are serious and will do everything in their power to fulfill what they believe is a religious mandate from God. We simply cannot fathom the depravity of others who do hideous and abhorrent things in the name of religion. This is why people, from President Bush on down, repeatedly claim Islam is a “religion of peace” despite there have been more than 3200 terror attacks by Muslims towards others since 9-11 alone (www.thereligionofpeace.com). Those who say Islam is a peaceful religion are either ignorant, having never read the Koran or the Hadith, or are western apologists, like CAIR, who are trying to deceive us. Our love affair with liberalism, multiculturalism, moral relativism, and nihilism has weakened our resolve to fight in order to maintain our traditional characteristics that made us the most successful and freest society in history. The Left’s condemnation of everything white, Christian, and conservative virtually guarantees bringing our society to the brink of destruction. If the West is to survive beyond 2035, it will only be in one form: a militant, conservative, Judeo-Christian society.

Western Europe is in a state of shock and denial at what is happening to them, as the ongoing “French Intifada” has shown. Muslims now comprise an estimated 20 million of the population of Europe (The Economist, 2005) and this is expected to double in just 20 years. Muslims already comprise the majority under 14 years of age in many European cities (Borchgrave, 2005). In France, 30% of all those below 20 years of age are Muslim (Neuhaus, 2005). Given the much higher Muslim birthrate, these Muslim youths are going to start having children soon that will result in France having a Muslim majority in less than 30 years. The rapid demographic changes in Europe have caused many commentators to opine that Europe is doomed, that “Eurabia,” (Ye’or, 2005) the Arabization of Europe is inevitable. The most anti-American and pro-Muslim of all the Europeans, the French, are suffering incredible crime from their Muslim citizens. The West, especially Western Europe, is like a person who is slowly being strangled by an anaconda who can only mutter, “This is unbelievable” over and over again instead of recognizing what is happening and freeing himself.

One constantly hears Muslims screaming they want a “jihad” against the West and most Muslims have described us as lazy, weak, and lacking the will to resist them. Sadly, it is true to a certain extent. Our lack of resolve has emboldened Muslims into genuinely believing it is only a matter of time before they will conquer the West and transform our society into an Islamic one, where Sharia Law reigns supreme, where St Peter’s is converted to a mosque and non-Muslims are subjugated as “Dhimmi,” (Ye’or, 2004; Spenser, 2005a) second-class citizens, who must pay an annual non-Muslim tax to remain in society. Muslims will initiate a global war, thinking the West will prefer subjugation and enslavement rather than fight them. They will not patiently wait for another 50 years for the demographics in Europe to change so drastically that they will comprise over 70% of the population. However, unlike other observers like Blankley (2005); Spenser (2005), Huntingdon (1996) Ye’or (2005) and so forth, I don’t believe Islam will succeed in conquering the West.

The problem Muslims face is the West, despite our very real schism between the Left and Right, is fundamentally based upon innovation and organization. The very thing that makes us free also makes us the best war fighters in history. Muslim rage against the West is based upon impotence and envy – they can’t defeat us militarily and nothing they have or can do can possibly be better than what we can do. Their frustration is pronounced: they genuinely believe they deserve to rule the world but are outraged that they are incapable of doing so.

I believe the impatience and the barbarity of the Islamists will be their downfall because not even the most liberal, effeminate, emasculated Westerner will willingly have his children murdered or enslaved. Will Michael Moore, Barbra Streisland, Sean Penn, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, George Soros, Howard Dean and the rest of the Leftists continue to claim Islam is a religion of peace and must be tolerated when their children and loved ones are getting decapitated before their eyes? Of course not. Leftists only tolerate the intolerant, murderous, and violent when they and those they care about are not the victims. Will the Left in American let the Louvre burn? Will they tolerate the utter destruction of Europe’s art and treasures?

What Muslims are overlooking is the West hasn’t crushed Islam not because it is incapable of doing so; but because of the West’s sense of decency. It is only the West’s moral values that have prevented it from expelling all Muslims to the Middle East and destroying the central pillars of the religion. In other words, the West tolerates Islam and all of its abuses. It is ridiculously easy for the West to destroy Islam if it wants to. All it needs to do is seize control of the Kaaba mosque, put it on a ship and move it from place to place. This will then play havoc with the religion since Muslims are obligated to pray towards the Kaaba (not Mecca) five times a day and moving it from place to place means they will have to face different directions every time, which will then make the entire worship system ridiculous. The West has the nuclear weapons, advanced weapon systems, training, and the discipline to obliterate every single Muslim army if it chooses to do so.

Our capabilities and concomitant restraint makes Islam incredibly vulnerable to a genuine genocidal war. While I am certain Western Europe will fall to Islam unless it begins immediate steps to rectify the situation, it will be rescued by Eastern Europe and by the United States (the great disproportionate responder) after co-existence is proven impossible to achieve and after jihadic Islam has been eliminated from their midst after tremendous loss of life.

Just as the Right saved the West from fascism and communism, so too will it save the West against Islamic totalitarianism. The mid-21st century will see a shattered Islam, one that finally embarks on a Reformation that purges the barbarism from its psyche. For the first time in its 1400-year history, Islam will learn how to become a benevolent, tolerant, civilized, and jihad-free religion, one that respects human dignity regardless of faith.

References Andrew Bostom MD. Editor. The legacy of jihad: Islamic holy war and the fate of non-Muslims. (2005) Prometheus Books, Amherst, New York. Blankley, T. The west’s last chance: Will we win the clash of civilizations? (2005). Regnery Publishing, Washington, D.C. Borchgrave, A. Clash of civilizations in Europe. Nov 16, 2004 article. Downloaded from http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/15/170109.shtml on Nov 14, 2005. Browne, A. Triumph of the east. The Guardian. Jan 27, 2005. Cited from http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16764 Huntington, S.P. The clash of civilizations and the remaking of world order. (1996). Simon & Schuster, New York. May, C. D. When someone tells you he wants to kill you – take him seriously. The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. Scrippps Howard News Service (Nov 3, 2005). Downloaded on Nov 14, 2005 from http://www.defenddemocracy.org/in_the_media/in_the_media_show.htm?doc_id=314043&attrib_id=7374 Neuhaus, R. J. Observations and Contentions. Nov 12, 2005 article. First Things. Downloaded on Nov 14, 2005 from http://www.firstthings.com/ Robert Spenser, Editor. The myth of Islamic tolerance: How Islamic law treats non-Muslims. (2005). Prometheus Books. Amherst, New York. Spenser, R. The politically incorrect guide to Islam (and the Crusades). (2005). Regnery Publishing, Washington, D.C. The Economist. 7/16/2005. p.13. Retrieved Nov 13, 2005 from EBSCOhost. Trifkovic, S. The sword of the prophet: History, theology, impact on the world. (2002). Regina Orthodox Press. Salisbury, MA. Wall, J.M. Civilization clash? Islam and the west. The Christian Century. 2001. p. 37. Retrieved Nov 13, 2005 from InfoTrac OneFile. Warraq, I. Islamic intolerance. Free Inquiry, Vol 13, Summer 1993. Cited from Islam Review at http://www.islamreview.com/articles/islamicintolerance.shtml Ye’or, B. Eurabia: The euro-arab axis. (2005). Fairleigh Dickinson University Press/Associated University Presses. Madison, NJ Ye’or, B. Islam and dhimmitude: Where civilizations collide. (2005). Fairleigh Dickinson University Press/Associated University Presses. Madison, NJ.


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To: Edward Watson

Fine piece.

Thanks


41 posted on 11/26/2005 10:20:25 AM PST by roaddog727 (P=3/8 A. or, P=plenty...............)
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To: Edward Watson

Well written.Islamic reformation?I've come to the conclusion that islam is incomapatable with freedom,peace,or tolerance for that matter.I don't think islam is capable of a radical change in it's basic philosophy,which is violent subjugation of non-believers.


42 posted on 11/26/2005 10:21:34 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: Edward Watson
may your life be filled with dreams dreamed,
dreams achieved.
43 posted on 11/26/2005 10:24:04 AM PST by no-to-illegals
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To: Edward Watson
All it needs to do is seize control of the Kaaba mosque, put it on a ship and move it from place to place.This will then play havoc with the religion since Muslims are obligated to pray towards the Kaaba (not Mecca) five times a day and moving it from place to place means they will have to face different directions every time,

LOL. Better yet put in in a non-geosychronous orbit.

44 posted on 11/26/2005 10:24:33 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: RouxStir
Islam cannot coexist with any other cultural entity, be it religion or secular

Well, the Turks use blunt force -- a ruthlessly secularized military -- to put and keep the islamist djinn back in the bottle. I don't know how well that unabashedly "modern" solution will fare in a post-modern world, though.

45 posted on 11/26/2005 10:26:37 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Edward Watson
Yours is a well researched work, but is a fully academic piece that is doomed to suffocate in a logical vacuum. Islam is an extremely diverse faith supported by a myriad of cultures and philosophies. Our President is absolutely right to call Islam a “religion of peace” because his is an effort to empower peaceful Muslim leadership to perpetually define Islam as such. The stark reality on the ground in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan to name a few is that Americans do have ideological allies among Muslims and your piece whitewashes them and their effort. Worse yet, your single suggestion, to manipulate Muslim’s method of worship is devoid of any possibility of practical application. Beyond that, the theoretical results of doing anything remotely similar to what you suggest is unlikely to improve the situation for our diplomats or our men and women in uniform serving overseas.

I suggest you point your exceptional analytical powers toward Islam as it is applied and find targets for your assaults there. For example the Iranian regime and its fascist theocratic government are a target not because of the Koran, but because of their interpretation of the Koran. In sheer defiance of Iran’s Shiite Muslim’s true leadership, the ideologically backward Ayatollah Khomeini redefined the role of Islam in Iran. Valeyat e-Faqhee or rule by Supreme Islamic Leadership is an anathema to much of the world’s Muslim population. Democracy dissidents in Iran are primarily Muslim!

To find tangible solutions and define Americas enemies in the coming wars I believe we must look to the roots of how religion is applied in our politics and theirs. To that end I posted Islam, Democracy and Iran. I do not portend that I or anyone else has all of the answers. I don’t think you do either but there has to be a path to finding the right answers and that path has to be one we can all live with. After reading this work, I have a strong suspicion that you’re not on it.

46 posted on 11/26/2005 10:29:53 AM PST by humint ({@}) Think about all the things you don't know you don't know ({@})
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To: RouxStir
Actually, Muslims can co-exist, and I think many would like to do so. Unfortunately, throughout the history of Islam, fanatics (who begin to take certain passages in the Quran seriously) and the power hungry (who use jihad to further their own ambitions) have started movements to spread the religion by force. This phenomenon did not represent a threat to the West when these jihadist and Madhist movements were confined to isolated parts of the world. This is no longer the case. In short, Muslims who desire to live in peace with other religions must renounce the jihadist texts of the Quran as being incompatible with the modern world. Unfortunately, modern technology has also aided the jihadists and has given them a global outlook, much like the Communist revolutionaries of past generations.
47 posted on 11/26/2005 10:32:01 AM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: Restore

Absolutely valid point but I was contrained by word-count limitations as well as the desire to restrict the piece to military conflict.

I'm sure you're aware there's an enormous amount of areas that could be examined to show the fundamental threats and inherent instability of Islam. Deciding what to include and what to exclude is always tricky.

For example, I had to remove the coming western European flight from Europe which will accelerate the Islamic conquest of the continent. I removed the tremendous danger of Prince Charles if he ever becomes king because of his apparent secret conversion to Islam (well known among Muslims but unmentioned in the MSM) and desire to become the Constantine of Islam. I also removed the grassroots militia movement amongst Europeans who are in the process of preparing for the coming religious war. I also removed the much worse threat of China to our very survival.

In short, it's going to be messy and incredibly violent in the next three decades.


48 posted on 11/26/2005 10:33:21 AM PST by Edward Watson (Religious conservative social libertarians need love too!!!)
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To: Edward Watson

Excellent essay.

The problem is that the West, especially in Western Europe, has drifted so far from rationality that only the most drastic medicine can cure it. The Islamists, unknowingly, are likely to provide this medicine.

It is possible, although in my opinion unlikely, that the elite will continue to cling to their shibboleths of PC, multiculturalism, etc. even as they are being dragged to the beheading ground. Ordinary people, not being as "educated," are not so stupid.

I would add to your projections that the backlash against the elites who have got them into this mess is likely to be awesome, especially in Europe.


49 posted on 11/26/2005 10:36:37 AM PST by Restorer (Illegitimati non carborundum)
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To: Edward Watson
Another essay I wrote for class (got an "A"....)

Well, you certainly deserved it. As I read through, I completely forgot it was not something from a major publication.

50 posted on 11/26/2005 10:43:24 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: humint

Thanks for your excellent response. Much as I'd like to agree with you on a practical level, the very real problems endemic in Islamic history, scripture, and mindset makes it ultimately unworkable.

My central tenet is Islam is, at its core, a conquering movement. It cannot tolerate an existence where it is not in control. Mohammed's words and actions are to be taken seriously; we just can't sweep them under the carpet. Neither can we wish away the Islamist minority of Muslims who are determined to kill us and convert the world to Islam and Sharia.

I can point to 1400 years of Islamic history, the Koran, the Hadith, and every single Islamic-majority society today as proof non-Muslims aren't considered equals by Muslims.

[As an aside, I'm of the opinion Persia would've been the second most powerful nation on earth today if only Islam didn't conquer it.]

Lastly, there is a difference between "could" and "should."

I'm saying the West *could* intellectually shatter Islam in the event of a real genocidal religious war by simply seizing the Kaaba mosque and transporting it onto a ship and move it from place to place. I'm not saying we *should* do itg, only we *could* if we wanted to.

Let's be honest here. Is there any real doubt if the roles were reversed and Islam possessed the military capability to utterly destroy other religions and societies without fear of mutual destruction that it would hesitate to do so?

Of course not. Allah wouldn't tolerate it. It is only the West's restraint and sense of decency that prevents us from doing so.


51 posted on 11/26/2005 10:57:32 AM PST by Edward Watson (Religious conservative social libertarians need love too!!!)
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To: Edward Watson

Convert them. We could and should convert many of the Muslims that we have access to. Conversion of those on the perimeter would keep the religion from taking over Western society.


52 posted on 11/26/2005 11:44:09 AM PST by webboy45
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To: Dark Skies
The appeal of multiculturalism fades rapidly in the light of reality: the Madrid bombings, the London bus bombings, the Trade Center attacks, the riots in France ...

Eventually the tepid "Give peace a chance" rhetoric is going to be rightfully ignored, and its proponents pushed aside as the comic idealists they are. Then, sense will prevail, and the world will impose the limits on Islam that its practicioners should have imposed on themselves just out of commonality with their fellow man.

If that fails, civilized men will move to eradicate the barbarians, and Islam doesn't stand a chance. As the author so clearly points out, all it takes for the West to triumph is for us to employ the same degree of savagery as our enemies. All that constrains us is conscience.

53 posted on 11/26/2005 12:47:58 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Edward Watson
The problem with Muslims in France (and elsewhere in Europe) is that the vast majority have no real marketable skills. They sit around on the dole collecting welfare

Real soon now, the strain of providing welfare to ever-more Muslims will snap the system.

It won't be pretty, on the day the welfare checks don't come.

54 posted on 11/26/2005 2:12:25 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the conceit to think they will be the planners)
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To: Edward Watson
You offer a false dichotomy.

I feel perfectly fine accepting atheism, moral relativism, and the need to fight radical Islam. If anything, people like me have the most to lose and so have the most reason to fight.

I'll agree though, that nihilism is can be disarming, but I don't think a Judeo-Christian society is the only solution. It isn't for me, at least.
55 posted on 11/26/2005 5:27:14 PM PST by mc6809e
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To: ROTB
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

Matthew 5:44

But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

Luke 6:35

This is exactly the sort of Christian attitude that is going to get us killed.

56 posted on 11/26/2005 5:29:57 PM PST by mc6809e
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To: mc6809e
"The author claimed that militant Christianity was the only way to save the west. I don't agree."

Militant Christians:

Gen. Dwight Eisenhower
Gen. Douglas MacArthur
Gen. George Patton
Teddy Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Gen. George Washington

There are a few hundred others that come readily to mind but you get the picture.

57 posted on 11/26/2005 5:37:20 PM PST by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: Edward Watson

"I removed the tremendous danger of Prince Charles if he ever becomes king because of his apparent secret conversion to Islam (well known among Muslims but unmentioned in the MSM) and desire to become the Constantine of Islam."

I keep hearing of Prince Charles conversion to Islam, but is there any proof?? I wish you would have had the room to include Prince Charles in your essay. If he has converted, he should admit it. The following link was rather interesting concerning Prince Charles:

http://www.meforum.org/article/356


58 posted on 11/26/2005 6:05:39 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: no-to-illegals
Good evening.
"If so, please share...."

No, I don't know either, but if I have anything to do about it, it won't be the USA.

I do know that Islam is spreading among the Indians in Chiapas and I would bet that the mullahs are proselytizing like mad among the poor brown peoples.

Michael Frazier
59 posted on 11/26/2005 6:22:43 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: mc6809e

Please note I didn't mention atheism. Moral relativism yes, but not atheism. Moral relativism asserts there is no real right or wrong. Those who follow it deny those who are blowing up civilians and children in markets, hospitals and wherever are actually "evil" people who must be opposed.

One of the most moral persons I know is an atheist. He's consistent with his beliefs and places a clear demarcation between what he perceives to be right and wrong. IOW, he doesn't subscribe to moral relativism despite denying the existence of a supreme being.

Thus the dichotomy I presented is indeed valid.


60 posted on 11/26/2005 6:43:49 PM PST by Edward Watson (Religious conservative social libertarians need love too!!!)
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