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New school catches flak (pants wetting soccer moms hoplophobe barf alert)
nydailynews.com ^ | 11 20 05 | nydailynews

Posted on 11/21/2005 8:41:31 PM PST by freepatriot32

Residents are up in arms over a push by the Education Department to open a school next door to a popular Bay Ridge shooting range. The school, proposed inside the recently shuttered Fortway Theater on Fort Hamilton Parkway, would bring about 440 students within earshot of the 40-year-old Alpine Arms shooting range - an FBI and NYPD favorite.

"We're trying to get children away from guns, not near them," said Donna Sbordone, a mother of three who lives three blocks from the 67th St. site. "It's just not a good place for a school."

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To: SauronOfMordor

My girlfriend was born and raised three blocks from there, on 67th and 10th. I've been in that place, it's pretty nice.

Kind of a shock, too, to see a firing range in Brooklyn, and especially to chat with all the shooters downstairs, they support the 2nd Amendment and are so conservative you'd think you're in Idaho, until you walk up the stairs and see all the Arabs walking around!

Ed


21 posted on 11/22/2005 5:04:01 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: John O; MikeJ; lp boonie
> I've got an off-topic question... My daughter is 5. I'm trying to figure out when she should have her first gun safety course and when she should have her first shooting course. I've been hesitant about buying a gun for the home because I don't want to put her at risk (until she's properly trained in it's use and handling). Unfortunately I'm not the hunting type, neither the time nor the opportunity as a single dad, so I'm starting at a handicap here. So, How do I start?

You're right -- Safety First.

Age 5 is fine. For starters, get hold of the NRA's Eddie Eagle gun safety program. This is an excellent introduction for kids who are going to be around guns, but are not yet ready to responsibly handle them.

We got the videotape when our daughter was about 7, when the household acquired a .22 rifle. But the Eddie Eagle program doesn't require that you have a gun around; it's good safety training in case your daughter encounters one anywhere. You've read the stories about kids under 8 accidentally shooting themselves or somebody else. There's just no need for that kind of tragedy.

Once she's got the basic idea that guns are something to respect, and you determine that she's developing a good sense of responsibility, a small firearm (like the BB gun lp boonie suggests, might indeed be appropriate). Let her level of interest guide you -- some kids take to firearms, others don't. Mainly, I believe she should be trained in safety first, then given the opportunity to find out what she thinks about shooting. My daughter knew generally about gun safety for a while before she actually fired a gun, and that worked out well.

If your daughter shows interest and sense of responsibility, I don't think 5 is too young. It happens my daughter (and I when I first shot) were up around 12, but I wouldn't necessarily wait that long, especially if she's going to be around guns in the interim.

Please note -- my FRiend MikeJ was invaluable as a teacher when my daughter became active, and so I've pinged him on this. He's got a lot of experience as a teacher, and I'd go by what he says.

22 posted on 11/22/2005 9:05:28 PM PST by dayglored (Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.)
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To: dayglored

I've got nothing to add - you've covered it very nicely.


23 posted on 11/23/2005 6:17:05 AM PST by MikeJ
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To: freepatriot32; Clemenza; firebrand
Many schools in NYC had rifle and shooting clubs, I remember one woman on a NYC radio talk show that she remembered school children actually carrying their guns, in locked cases, to school on the subway.
24 posted on 11/29/2005 9:18:05 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Sir_Ed; Coleus
I used to go to the Fortway in its last days. The heating system was broke and mice used to run in the aisles. Last movie I saw there was "Old School."

Its better than what will probably be the fate of the Alpine on 5th and 69th. Half of that building is already a mosque, and I assume they will take over the other half once the theatre (which is a dump btw) is closed.

This range is a pretty cool place. Went there once. Prefer the place in Woodhaven that has more lanes.

--- Clemenza (former Bay Ridge resident - 93rd and 4th).

25 posted on 11/29/2005 9:44:18 PM PST by Clemenza (I am here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum!)
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To: Cacique; Do not dub me shapka broham

Ping!


26 posted on 11/29/2005 9:44:44 PM PST by Clemenza (I am here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum!)
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To: Coleus

Lawrence High School, a heavily Jewish school in a VERY liberal area, had a large rifle club until the late 60s. I'm willing to bet many of its former members joined JPFO.


27 posted on 11/29/2005 9:46:29 PM PST by Clemenza (I am here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum!)
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To: freepatriot32

(about 200 customers, including the FBI, NYPD and BOY SCOUTS, visit the underground range each month)

The more I know about the boy scouts the more I love them!


28 posted on 11/29/2005 9:51:31 PM PST by winner3000
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To: GSlob

Yep, it's not like that DEA guy is packing his '.40' in there, or anything...


29 posted on 11/29/2005 9:53:28 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: nk_47

...and you put the condom over the muzzle to keep the rain out. Eat the d@amned pickle, don't waste food!


30 posted on 11/29/2005 9:55:21 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Clemenza
And I bet if you to Israel right now, you will find that most of the schools and teachers are armed to defend themselves against terrorists.
31 posted on 11/29/2005 10:08:12 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus

Last year I was sitting on a bus outside the Wailing Wall. About three hundred armed troops with large backpacks and rifles, with two clips each came out of the entrance. They all looked to be about 15 to 16 years old and they were all female. I was very impressed.


32 posted on 11/29/2005 10:43:30 PM PST by rock58seg (My votes for Pres. Bush, the best man available, have finally borne fruit with Alito's nomination.)
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To: John O

I would start her with an air pistol. Simple, not loud, with proper target setups it can be used indoors.


33 posted on 11/29/2005 10:46:52 PM PST by rock58seg (My votes for Pres. Bush, the best man available, have finally borne fruit with Alito's nomination.)
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To: Vom Willemstad K-9
ping



34 posted on 11/29/2005 10:47:35 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Clemenza
They closed the Fortway?

When did that happen?

35 posted on 11/29/2005 11:09:14 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Clemenza

My girlfriend worked at Aiello's Deli just around the corner from there. She went to St. Ephram's, then Bishop Kearney, then B'klyn College.

Her brother went to Xaverian, then also B'klyn Colloege.

Her parents still live in Bay Ridge, and her aunts live in Dyker Heights, and it's so sad, the neighborhoods that speak English are closing down to just a few blocks, everywhere else it's Muslims and Chinese.

See ya',

Ed


36 posted on 11/30/2005 3:13:29 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed
I wouldn't say its "sad" just natural. As the older people who lived in the nabe die off, who the hell is going to spend $500,000 on a little row home aside from the Chinese? Besides, 18th Avenue in Bensonhurst was filled with people speaking ITALIAN in the 1960s and 70s.

The white Catholics who lived in SW Brooklyn thought that their nabes would last "forevah", but the fact of the matter is people have been leaving those nabes for the past 25 years. They should have done more to attract yuppies like Park Slope and Carroll Gardens did rather than hoping that their kids would settle nearby.

37 posted on 11/30/2005 3:19:20 PM PST by Clemenza (I am here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum!)
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