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Ultra-sensitive microscope reveals DNA processes
New Scientist ^ | November 15, 2005 | Gaia [sic] Vince

Posted on 11/16/2005 3:40:35 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Ultra-sensitive microscope reveals DNA processes

    * 14:02 15 November 2005
    * NewScientist.com news service
    * Gaia Vince

A new microscope sensitive enough to track the real-time motion of a single protein, right down to the scale of its individual atoms, has revealed how genes are copied from DNA – a process essential to life.

The novel device allows users to achieve the highest-resolution measurements ever, equivalent to the diameter of a single hydrogen atom, says Steven Block, who designed it with colleagues at Stanford University in California.

Block was able to use the microscope to track a molecule of DNA from an E.coli bacterium, settling a long-standing scientific debate about the precise method in which genetic material is copied for use.

The molecular double-helix of DNA resembles a twisted ladder consisting of two strands connected by “rungs” called bases. The bases, which are known by the abbreviations A, T, G and C, encode genetic information, and the sequence in which they appear “spell out” different genes.

Every time a new protein is made, the genetic information for that protein must first be transcribed from its DNA blueprint. The transcriber, an enzyme called RNA polymerase (RNAP), latches on to the DNA ladder and pulls a small section apart lengthwise. As it works its way down the section of DNA, RNAP copies the sequence of bases and builds a complementary strand of RNA – the first step in a new protein.

“For years, people have known that RNA is made up one base at a time,” Block says. “But that has left open the question of whether the RNAP enzyme actually climbs up the DNA ladder one rung at a time, or does it move instead in chunks – for example, does it add three bases, then jump along and add another three bases.

Light and helium

In order to settle the question, the researchers designed equipment that was able to very accurately monitor the movements of a single DNA molecule.

Block chemically bonded one end of the DNA length to a glass bead. The bead was just 1 micrometre across, a thousand times the length of the DNA molecule and, crucially, a billion times its volume. He then bonded the RNAP enzyme to another bead. Both beads were placed in a watery substrate on a microscope slide.

Using mirrors, he then focused two infrared laser beams down onto each bead. Because the glass bead was in water, there was a refractive (optical density) difference between the glass and water, which caused the laser to bend and focus the light so that Block knew exactly where each bead was.

But in dealing with such small objects, he could not afford any of the normal wobbles in the light that occur when the photons have to pass through different densities of air at differing temperatures. So, he encased the whole microscope in a box containing helium. Helium has a very low refractive index so, even if temperature fluctuations occurred, the effect would be too small to matter.

One by one

The group then manipulated one of the glass beads until the RNAP latched on to a rung on the DNA molecule. As the enzyme moved along the bases, it tugged the glass bead it was bonded too, moving the two beads toward each together. The RNAP jerked along the DNA, pausing between jerks to churn out RNA transcribed bases. It was by precisely measuring the lengths of the jerks that Block determined how many bases it transcribed each time.

“The RNAP climbs the DNA ladder one base pair at a time – that is probably the right answer,” he says.

“It’s a very neat system – amazing to be able see molecular details and work out how DNA is transcribed for the first time,” said Justin Molloy, who has pioneered similar work at the National Institute for Medical Research, London. “It’s pretty incredible. You would never have believed it could be possible 10 years ago.”

Journal reference: Nature (DOI: 10.1038/nature04268)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: biology; chemistry; crevolist; dna; microscopy; rna; rnap; science
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To: Coyoteman
Would you call the priests or the archaeologists?

Given the false choice, I would call a medicine man (since I have lived with the “Indians”) and not some constipated old archaeologist...

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vegetarian--that's the Indian word for "bad hunter"

It is more of a word for “bad fisherman” in the tribes I lived with... ; ^)

1,201 posted on 11/19/2005 3:59:45 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Dimensio
An atheist is simply someone who lacks belief in gods.

Your totems and taboos carry no weight with me...

1,202 posted on 11/19/2005 4:02:00 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: mdmathis6
An atheist scientist telling another atheist scientist that it is wrong and a lie to falsify data is speaking gibberish since science can not speak of moral truth.

Morals and any ideals associated with them are all based on the presupposition some higher power defines what is correct in human behavior.

An atheist saying something is immoral is no different than any priest or rabbi saying you are a sinner...

1,203 posted on 11/19/2005 4:07:06 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
and not some constipated old archaeologist...

Now that is just unkind! Just 'cuz I belong to the SGA*, don't mean a thing.


* Society of Geriatric Archaeologists

1,204 posted on 11/19/2005 4:07:25 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Elsie

I said "Please". Isn't that enough?


1,205 posted on 11/19/2005 6:43:48 PM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Dimensio
Only creationist morons think that the theory of evolution is "a religious attack" of any kind.

Only??

1,206 posted on 11/19/2005 7:06:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

No. If I said that everything Creationists say is a lie, that would be hyperbole. Saying they lie all the time just means that they do it regularly.


1,207 posted on 11/20/2005 7:24:27 PM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: Elsie
I can't make ya drink.

Nor do I need lead ;~D
1,208 posted on 11/20/2005 8:59:28 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: grey_whiskers

Doing something in someones name when they tell you to do it is only those folks doing the same thing by proxy.

What zarqawi does, what Saddam did, is the very same thing.
Intimidation through threat of punishment for thought other than what is dictated. True there is a distinct difference in who is doling out the punishment. But, I think you would agree, the threat of punishment for differing thought remains the same from both zarqawi or Saddam and God.

I didn't equate the person to the god, I compared the threats from both for lack of belief and lack of following along. A book says ALLAH, a book says God. I wouldn't say Allah is God, but I would say they are both books written by man.

Are you to claim that differences negate similarities? I would offer that is an interesting angle. Let me apply that to another example and see if it fits.

One orange has seeds, one doesn't. You can say Both are oranges, but not that both have seeds. This angle you pose seems to point out that saying they are both oranges is incorrect because they have a difference when it comes seeds.

Nope, I don't understand what you were trying to convey to me.


1,209 posted on 11/20/2005 9:16:15 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: BlueStateDepression
Let's try this again.

Zarqawi et al. seem to think that they are self-deputized to kill all those who have not converted to Islam.

Christians and Jews do not currently believe and practice such things.

As evidence for this, you have sharia law in varying degrees, from the Sudan to Pakistan to (until recently) Afghanistan. Theocracy? How about fusion of church and state?

Here in the (mostly Christian, in cultural memory if not in daily practice) you get Michael Newdow suing to have "In God We Trust" removed from the currency, after it was added during the 1950's to draw a distinction between the US and Marxists, and NOT to shove Christianity down people's throats. (Not that it would have been shoving anyway, no-one was forced to convert).

If the US had really been the theocracy atheists love to worry about, Newdow would be in a torture camp in Northern Alaska, instead of mouthing off on the MSM.

As far as theology, yes, there are significant differences between Christianity and Islam. If you read Free Republic enough, you will come across the quotes from the Koran (or you can Google) that go approximately like this: The tree will say, "Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him."

Compare this to the Christian "I ask then, has God rejected His people [the Jewish people]? Of course not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."

Or to put it another way, if you tell a Christian in a Christian country that "Mohammed died for your sins" he'll either snicker or remind you of 9-11. But if you tell a Muslim in an Islamic country that "Jesus died for your sins" you'll be lucky to escape prison.

As far as your fruit analogy, it is circular reasoning, since you stipulate at the beginning that they are both oranges. If you were looking at object-oriented programming languages such as C++ or Java, they WOULD be different; one would be a superclass of the other. The analogy to religion is that one might be an improvement on, or a heresy, of the other.

Of course both the Bible and the Koran were written by men. The relevant questions are how much of the contents were inspired by man, by God, or by other supernatural entity; the fidelity to the inspiration (as in "hi-fi" records vs. MP3); how corrupted the writings are compared to the original sources; and how cultural and language differences have affected the interpretation--there is reciprocal influence in some of these, too.

Cheers!

1,210 posted on 11/20/2005 10:29:52 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Zarqawi et al. seem to think that they are self-deputized to kill all those who have not converted to Islam.

I agree totally, he gets that idea from the Koran, his "holy" books as the word of his God sent to him to carry out.

Christians and Jews do not currently believe and practice such things.

They sure did at one time. I agree they do not do it today as zarqawi does and I also agree that is a difference. However this difference does not change the comparison I was trying to point out. Both books teach their followers that there is punishment for thinking differently. Punishment for lack of following along with the program as stated. Zarqawi claims to do the will of Allah, what Allah would do if he did not. Who does it isn't what I was trying to compare. The fact that punishment is threatened is.

Would you agree that punishment is stated in the Koran for lack of following what it says absolutely and that the Bible also lays out punishment for lack of following what it says absolutely?

Did jesus die for my sins or did he die so I had to aknowledge he did so,in order that my sins could be forgiven? Speaking of shoving down throats.....

added during the 1950's to draw a distinction between the US and Marxists, and NOT to shove Christianity down people's throats.

The line of distinction being CHRISTIANITY and diety belief right? Hmmmmm, interesting. I would offer that if Newdow had a physical currency he could use that did not espouse a diety belief he would not have a case to make. God was put IN the pledge and ON the money after the fact as a way to advance christianity and diety belief. These are both governent functions and that entity is not supposed to install a diety of their own. Newdow is going to win my friend. Regardless of wether or not it was beneficial to do so at the time.

Scotus struck Newdow down last time, not on the merits of his case, but indeed on a technicality. That being lack of custodial control over his daughter.

Basically, SCOTUS punted on that one, other families have come forward and that is not an issue they can be dismissed on. IF SCOTUS could have heard and dismissed this case on the merits they would have done so and ended it already. Truth is, they didn't. My supposition is they couldn't, but we will soon find out.

I am not disputing the many differences between Islam and Christianity. They are many and they are good. I do not think that a case can be made( and supported) that states differences negate similarities.

My fruit example is circular reasoning? Citing similarities that hold up to testable examples is circular? Islam is a religion based on book called the koran said to be handed down from Allah. Christianity is a religion based on a book said to be handed down from God. (Both oranges.) Improvement upon or heresey of is perspective based. Both being organized religions based on books handed down from each of their gods is a statement of fact as both entities claim (neither of which can prove mind you). I do not see where you get circular reasoning from.

As for quotes from the koran, a good many can found at faithfreedom.org.

I know the comparison I made hurts, blunt truth often does. I am not attempting to equate the two as wholes, just point out similarities.. But the comparison I made is present and accurate. Both books preach punishment for lack of compliance. Who carries out the punishment may be different, but that does not eliminate the threat or where it comes from or what that threat punishes. Punishment for alternate thought when no proof exists today that can codify either complete book as legitimate. Thought, belief, is the only thing that can codify it today. I would offer that is exactly why both books, and thus religions, push this aspect of punishment for lack of belief.

I agree with your last paragraph and will offer that answering those very questions is what that punishment, for thought other than what is posed, is designed to stop. My next question is "WHY". If the bible,or the koran, is true, why the threat of punishment for reserving belief until such time as proof can be found thru answering these questions? Why, If I believe the day I stand before my God, on the day I die is it too late?

If I want you to believe something,I would pose tangible evidence of it rather than a threat of eternal damnation.Could it be that your God is a victim of his own devices? Rather, God makes people victims of his own devices? If God gave us free will and that is the device, why not put in place something that establishes truth. In other words PROVE IT in no uncertain terms? God could do so, right? Not doing so strikes me as a vicious game. One he plays willingly. That is hardly worth worship in my book. Now I stray.....I'll stop that now.
1,211 posted on 11/21/2005 8:52:39 AM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: grey_whiskers

"1) Uniformity of ethics across cultures

2) The idea that the reputation of those attacking morality as more intellectual was an illusion."


In reference to #1, CS Lewis wrote of the DAO or "the way" from which very ancient cultures seem to draw similar views on Ethics, this "way" being far older then all established religion...he also wrote of the "Logos" as being of the same substance as the "Way". John chapter one uses the term "Logos" which the translators define as "Word". John 1:1-3 states..."In the beginning was the Word(LOGOS or DAO...the underlying schema which patterns and undergirds all the has been created into existence"), and the Word was with God and the Word was God". Notice most of the world could accept that part.

Now, here comes the part that has Darkness hating Christianity.... verse 14 "And that WORD was made FLESH..."(God's thumbprint into matter)

"Light has entered darkness and the darkness did not comprehend it" "The entrance of THY WORD bringeth forth Light!"


As for #2,...It started in the Garden..."And the Serpent said, you shall Not surely die, for God knows that when you eat of the tree, you shall become as the Gods, knowing Good from Evil!" Notice the implied insult, and the flattery of potential personal enhancement to a higher level. ("You are scum, God has been lying to you, he is afraid to share his power with you, but if you do what he doesn't want you to do, you'll throw off his impotent yoke and indeed become as God himself...indeed you could throw him off his throne if you really wanted to...your potential is limitless...come on just take a biiiiittttte![insert appropriate whispered sedutive echoie sound effect here])


1,212 posted on 11/21/2005 1:12:39 PM PST by mdmathis6 ("It was not for nothing that you were named Ransom" from CS LEWIS' Perelandra!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

An atheist has no absolute reference from which he can coherently utter positions of morality and ethics, or even to accuse the hated religious of various inconsistencies and hypocrisy....at least priests and Rabbi's draw from a theistic reference point...whether others believe in the theistic or not!


1,213 posted on 11/21/2005 1:17:53 PM PST by mdmathis6 ("It was not for nothing that you were named Ransom" from CS LEWIS' Perelandra!)
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To: mdmathis6

You'll note that EVE wasn't around yet to 'hear' God tell Adam not to eat.

Was it's Adam lack for either NOT telling Eve about what God had said; or not making sure she understood it?

HE seemed to make no protest at ALL when she offered HIM a bite!


1,214 posted on 11/21/2005 1:54:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: mdmathis6

Sure he does!

His own self is as much as he needs!


1,215 posted on 11/21/2005 1:55:12 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

They were both told, they were both responsible...Eve told the serpent that she wasn't supposed to "eat of the tree or even touch lest ye die".

My posting wasn't about the evils of "womyn", it was about the deceptive means used to cajole folks to accept an otherwise loathsome point of view. Ergo, you insult a person for their ignorance but then slyly suggest that if they go along with the "latest fashion", or the latest PC correct thought, that they shall then have "grown" into the ranks of the "enlightened"!

When we come to Christ, we are in a sense accepting responsibility for "eating of the forbidden fruit" of prideful hubris by acknowledging God as our true king and Lord...our various mental and spiritual "fig-leaves" are cast away and we are clothed in the blood bought righteousness of Jesus Christ.

You missed the whole point of my postings to Grey whiskers; that God has existed from old and even cultures who had not the full truth of Christ and his love, never-the-less lived under the shadow of the mountain of God, as shown by similarities in laws, ethics and standards of morality. God indeed had "winked at such cultures as Paul states until such time as the Anointed one could be revealed to the world.


1,216 posted on 11/21/2005 4:21:36 PM PST by mdmathis6 ("It was not for nothing that you were named Ransom" from CS LEWIS' Perelandra!)
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To: Elsie

But who would listen to such a man who refers to himself as a source of morality that others should emulate? Indeed such men who do so to a certain extreme become candidates for the insane asylum, unless they have come into power then they become absolute tyrants indeed.

While certain religious leaders have "crossed" over into such megalamania under the guise of religion, they are far easier to isolate and deal with then those who profess no strong religious belief, yet argue the positive morality of the utilitarian world view. They can seem reasonable in there insistance that men discard tradtional virtue in the name of of the "greatest good for the greatest number. Such folk may love their cats or lovingly tend to their gardenias while advocating the slaughter of an unwanted population. They are without virtue, they are "men without chests"!


1,217 posted on 11/21/2005 4:33:19 PM PST by mdmathis6 ("It was not for nothing that you were named Ransom" from CS LEWIS' Perelandra!)
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To: Elsie

But who would listen to such a man who refers to himself as a source of morality that others should emulate? Indeed such men who do so to a certain extreme become candidates for the insane asylum, unless they have come into power then they become absolute tyrants indeed.

While certain religious leaders have "crossed" over into such megalamania under the guise of religion, they are far easier to isolate and deal with then those who profess no strong religious belief, yet argue the positive morality of the utilitarian world view. They can seem reasonable in there insistance that men discard tradtional virtue in the name of of the "greatest good for the greatest number. Such folk may love their cats or lovingly tend to their gardenias while advocating the slaughter of an unwanted population. They are without virtue, they are "men without chests"!


1,218 posted on 11/21/2005 4:35:08 PM PST by mdmathis6 ("It was not for nothing that you were named Ransom" from CS LEWIS' Perelandra!)
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To: BlueStateDepression
Will post privately later, prob'ly over Thanksgiving weekend when I have time.

Cheers!

1,219 posted on 11/21/2005 9:51:31 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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