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Far-Right Leader: Riots Only the Start (France - Le Pen)
AP via Briefbart.com ^ | Nov. 9, 2005 | JOHN LEICESTER

Posted on 11/09/2005 11:16:17 AM PST by Righty_McRight

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To: .cnI redruM

Right, I wouldn't disagree with that.

My point was, he won't be our ally anymore than Chirac is.

In fact, he'd probably be a worse ally.

Your classic European anti-Americanism traditionally comes from the European right.


61 posted on 11/09/2005 1:09:56 PM PST by Sometimes A River (Your hands and feet are mangoes, but you're gonna be a genius anyway)
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To: marshmallow
I think your point about the secularization of France is right on. the Churches in once catholic France are empty. They have no strong religious conviction. I think it may be too late for them to stop the inevitable transformation of France a new Islamic republic.
62 posted on 11/09/2005 1:10:30 PM PST by Courdeleon02
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To: marshmallow
Le Penn on abortion:

Let’s be clear about this, Jean-Marie Le Pen is the only French politician to express himself publicly like the Pope : "Our civilization is dying because of a lack of respect for life in all its forms. That’s why we pride ourselves on bringing honor back to the value of life. That’s why we insist on greeting the Holy Father who, with his infinite wisdom, never forgets to recall that respect for life constitutes the very foundation of all civilized society, denouncing the rising tide of the culture of death in the modern world."

Rare are the TV moments that have made their mark in history. The Hour of Truth on February 13, 1984, is one of the few broadcasts that fit in this category. It took only one sentence from Jean-Marie Le Pen for this broadcast to go straight into the history books. "I would like to observe a moment of silence in memory of the tens of millions of men who have died as victims of Communist dictatorship and to have a brotherly thought for all those who are in camps or in the Gulag." At the time, the political pundit Patrick Buisson remarks: "Never before seen in the annals of television since Maurice Clavel’s slap in the face, punctuated with the famous "’Goodnight, censors!’"

63 posted on 11/09/2005 1:17:32 PM PST by kabar
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To: Thorin
Speaking of Notre Dame, an interesting and prescient 2002 article from Ann Coulter on Le Penn

French voters tentatively reject dynamiting Notre Dame

64 posted on 11/09/2005 1:26:19 PM PST by kabar
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To: Acts 2:38
Your classic European anti-Americanism traditionally comes from the European right.

You mean like Thatcher and Kohl?

65 posted on 11/09/2005 1:28:04 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Good post!!
The Arab crimes committed against the Jews were allowed to pass. (After all who cares about the Jews)
Have these attempts to "feed the crocodile" failed?
Do not believe the liberal fantasy about "disenfranchised" youth. The end result will be an establishment of an independent Muslim "Community" within France.
Curfews, what a joke!!


66 posted on 11/09/2005 1:30:01 PM PST by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006 - George Allen, POTUS 2008)
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To: Righty_McRight

"Le Pen said people with immigrant backgrounds who commit crimes should be stripped of their French nationality and sent 'back to their country of origin.

"Reminded that the vast majority of youths taking part in the arson and rioting are French, born in France to immigrant parents, he said: 'What does that mean? Are they French because they have a French identity card?'

"French nationality should be given only to those who ask for it and 'who are worthy of it,' he said. 'Those who got nationality automatically, who don't consider themselves French and who even say publicly that they consider France their enemy should not be treated as French.'"

Perfectly and cogently stated. It's nice to know that all Frenchmen aren't drinking the same self-hating, defeatist wine.


67 posted on 11/09/2005 1:31:47 PM PST by reelfoot
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To: kabar

A good column, though I think Ann strays a bit in describing Le Pen's attitude toward religion. I don't doubt that Le Pen is a bad Catholic, if even that, but he is respectful toward religion, recognizing that it is the basis of Western culture.


68 posted on 11/09/2005 1:43:50 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: kabar

I wasn't referring to the more "mainstream" parties.

I was referring to the fringe parties and movements.


69 posted on 11/09/2005 2:11:10 PM PST by Sometimes A River (Your hands and feet are mangoes, but you're gonna be a genius anyway)
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To: Thorin

Agreed. Catholicism is part and parcel of the French culture and national history. I also disagree with her assertion that he "is supported by communists." Le Pen is a pure nationalist and on the right of the political spectrum. The only reason the communists and unionists would support him is his stance on immigration, which does affect the labor market.


70 posted on 11/09/2005 2:14:36 PM PST by kabar
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To: Acts 2:38
The European leftists, including the Communists and socialists have always been more anti-American than the right. The nationalists may be anti-American because of their fear that we are taking over their culture or foreign policy. The Schroeders, Papandreous, Zapateros, et. al, have been very anti-American and left of center.

I was referring to the fringe parties and movements.

Please cite some examples.

71 posted on 11/09/2005 2:21:41 PM PST by kabar
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To: Righty_McRight

Why is it that in Europe, you either get spineless loser socialists or fire-breathing, race-baiting fascists? Is there nothing in the middle? I.e. a tough, no-nonsense military-type who respects democratic institutions but will not put up with lawlessness?


72 posted on 11/09/2005 2:21:41 PM PST by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents can give their children are siblings.)
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To: Righty_McRight

Ah, he of the sub par IQ speaks. The guy makes Lestor Maddox look like Albert Einstein.


73 posted on 11/09/2005 2:23:25 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: Antoninus

Le Pen is an ex-paratrooper who fought in Indochina and Algieria. He also has a glass eye suffered in a barroom brawl.


74 posted on 11/09/2005 2:24:31 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

I just did...le Pen, for one and Joerg Hader in Austria is another. The BNP in the UK isn't particularly pro-US.

Maybe you can name some of the ultra-nationalist right parties in Europe since WWI that were/are not anti-American.


75 posted on 11/09/2005 3:09:57 PM PST by Sometimes A River (Your hands and feet are mangoes, but you're gonna be a genius anyway)
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To: kabar

"I would like to observe a moment of silence in memory of the tens of millions of men who have died as victims
of Communist dictatorship and to have a brotherly thought for all those who are in camps or in the Gulag."

That's interesting. It's rare for any politician to acknowledge the existence of the Gulag.


76 posted on 11/09/2005 4:32:42 PM PST by Sabatier
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To: DOGEY
Yeah...I caught that too! Remember that there was a lot of support for ole 'dolph in France.

My Grandfather would be pissed to see Normandy being attacked after he and his friends freed it many moons ago.

Attacked by those who sided with Hitler back then...I don't want to mention any names or anything but the initials are MUSLIMS.

JEDI.
77 posted on 11/09/2005 5:45:22 PM PST by JediForce (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Righty_McRight
The web site of Front National.
78 posted on 11/09/2005 7:46:16 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: TitanicMan2003
Any rationality from him seems to be a fluke.

Agreed, he is an antisemitic, anti-American, xenopohobic bigot. Regardless, he is correct on immigration.

Hopefully, merely the threat of his political gain will force the mainstream French politicians to get serious about immigration and cultural integration.

79 posted on 11/09/2005 7:47:10 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: Courdeleon02
I do not understand why France would allow any immigration especially since the unemployment rate is so high

France has pretty much shut down the legal immigration spigot. Only family can emigrate from most former French colonies. Those doing the rioting are largely second and third generation French youths whose parents and grandparents were born in Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia or other former French colonies in Africa, and thus, are French citizens.

Most French immigration these days is illegal and involves Chinese and Turks. They are too busy, to paraphrase Senor Fox, "doing jobs Frenchmen won't do" in sweatshops and construction to riot. They're not ungrateful citizens taking advantage of France's generous welfare state.

France (and much of Europe's) dirty little secret is that without immigration, it will not be able to sustain its welfare state in 20 years. You ain't seen nothing yet.
80 posted on 11/09/2005 7:48:32 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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