Posted on 11/09/2005 11:16:17 AM PST by Righty_McRight
I believe he means ancestral origina, 'cause most of these "youths" and 2nd are 3rd generation "French" citizens.
origina = origin
Where have you been? There is no "legitimate Right" in France. There is no libertarian/ social conservative representation in France, and most of Europe. There's Socialist,very Socialist, very, very Socialist, and there's Fascist. Thats it.
Their rationality stopped in prior centuries, with their superb authors Balzac, Moliere, Alexandre Dumas, et al.
LePen is a joke. You cant send 3rd generation French to another continent. That wont fly, and everyone knows it.
OTOH, you can throw law breakers in jail. that would be ok.
Now, you cite "le Pen, for one and Joerg Hader [sic] in Austria is another". The BNP in the UK isn't particularly pro-US. First of all, your "classic" anti-Americanism doesn't sound very "traditional," if you can only cite these recent examples.
Second, European anti-Americanism has traditionally come from the Left. After WWII, there were strong Communist parties in a number of Western European countries such as France and Italy. They were sympathetic to the Soviet Union during most of the Cold War period. They demonstrated and remonstrated for the US to remove its military presence from Europe. The Right was more nationalistic than anti-American.
Joerg Haider and Le Pen were against most foreigners, not just Americans. They are nationalists who want to maintain their culture and national identities. I find it interesting that Le Pen's official webpage contains a picture of Le Pen shaking hands with Ronald Reagan. The caption reads, "The meeting of two men of character: Jean-Marie Le Pen and Ronald Reagan. Differences of opinion on certain aspects of U.S. foreign policy don’t prevent them from mutually respecting each other, from holding each other in high esteem or from continuing to pay tribute to each other, as Reagan’s closest advisors did with each of Jean-Marie Le Pen’s electoral successes."
Maybe you can name some of the ultra-nationalist right parties in Europe since WWI that were/are not anti-American.
LOL. Maybe you can name some extreme Leftist parties in Europe since WWI that were/are not anti-American. You made the assertion that, "Your classic European anti-Americanism traditionally comes from the European right." Now you are asking me to make your case for you. Sorry, but the classic anti-Americanism in Europe comes traditionally from the communist/socialist/environmentalist Left.
I have lived in five European countries for a total of 14 years and am married to a European. You don't know what you are talking about.
Yep, deportation simply isn't an option (except for the non-French citizens among them). The Islamic masses are there for good, and at the rate they're breeding will be the majority in France in another generation or two. So the only options are secularization/assimilation into French society or the complete destruction/Islamicization of France.
We need someone in this country who is unafraid to speak as plainly. And then we have to agree with him and not get our panties in a wad for saying it.
There are A WHOLE BUNCH of Americans who should be exiled, and they're not all immigrants or the children of immigrants.
I never said the left wasn't either.
Sorry, but Le Pen and his party are anti-American.
European aristocracy, tied to land and church, and traditionally right wing, has long been linked to anti-Americanism, which began after the revolution, and still remains to this day.
I just don't see how this is arguable.
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Like Tancredo? I don't believe he is a racist at all, and that he would make a good strong president, yet people say the most awful things about him in the media and on this site.
I never said the left wasn't either.
You said, "Your classic European anti-Americanism traditionally comes from the European right." No mention of the Left there.
Sorry, but Le Pen and his party are anti-American.
Le Pen and the National Front are anti-foreigner. They are nationalists. If Le Pen were truly anti-American, I doubt that he would have a picture of himself shaking hands with Reagan with the caption I provided to you.
European aristocracy, tied to land and church, and traditionally right wing, has long been linked to anti-Americanism, which began after the revolution, and still remains to this day.
First, it was back to WWI and now back to the Revolution. So I guess King George III was the leader of an ultra right wing extremist group. Who was on the Left at the time? Give me a break.
I just don't see how this is arguable.
It's not. You are wrong. The classic anti-Americanism in Europe comes traditionally from the communist/socialist/environmentalist Left, which emerged at the beginning of the 20th Century.
If you read the entire thread, I mentioned Tancredo in my post #56, not #23. I mentioned him in a sarcastic way and never intimated that he was a racist. I was trying to place the personal attacks on Le Pen in some context. There are elements in France who label him as a racist to advance their own political agenda. GWB and Tancredo have been called racists in this country by various groups with a political agenda. I am not defending Le Pen, but I am also not believing every such charge leveled at him.
I think an era is fast approaching when pragmatism will trump idealism in politics and society. I, for one, welcome it because it will be the end of political correctness and political commissars and all the rest of the crap. Unless we go for the communist solution of the hillary(!).
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Le Pen and the National Front are anti-foreigner. They are nationalists
Third generation "French North Africans" and 6th generation "French Jews" are not "foreigners".
A more acurate description of LePen would be "nativist xenophobe". A serious politician would speak seriously and realistically. LePen does neither.
Three out of Four French are starting to see things Le Pen's way. France may well wake up. Thank God! FRegards....
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