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Just Whom Is This Divorce 'Good' For?
Washington Post ^ | Sunday, November 6, 2005 | Elizabeth Marquardt

Posted on 11/08/2005 8:01:14 AM PST by TBP

Before the divorce rate began its inexorable rise in the late 1960s, the common wisdom had been that, where children are concerned, divorce itself is a problem. But as it became widespread -- peaking at almost one in two first marriages in the mid-1980s -- popular thinking morphed into a new, adult-friendly idea: It's not the act of divorcing that's the problem, but simply the way that parents handle it.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: boredom; butimbored; butiwant; butshenags; children; divorce; forthechildren; itsallaboutme; liberalism; liberals; mustfornicate; selfishness; sickinthehead
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To: pollyannaish
What we forget is that as a community, we have as much responsibility to help others keep their marriages together (barring gross dysfunction such as abuse, adultery, addiction etc.) as we have to our own. We pledge that for the good of our community, not only today, but in the future. It is a call for us to see our own behavior within the context of society at large, not just to our immediate circle.

Bingo -- that's it exactly -- what is missing from today's narcissistic environment. Before my recent break (after 5 generations of my family) with the Methodist church, my pastor (the 4th gay pastor in a row) was questioned during a Bible class about why our church was hiring a known adulterer about town as the construction company for restoring our sanctuary. The pastor breezily said that condemning the construction vendor's behavior was "inappropriate" -- the pastor's doctorate was in psychology. The group contained another couple of open adulterers, who were doubtless grateful for this dispensation, but as one of the dumped-spouses-with-a-child in the group, I felt completely disgusted.

121 posted on 11/08/2005 10:42:17 AM PST by Albion Wilde (America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. – George W. Bush)
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To: pollyannaish
That is one of the reasons I refuse to ever join certain women's groups, which become veritable bitching session about one's husband.

Wow! You're a rarity 8-)

122 posted on 11/08/2005 10:42:32 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: wallcrawlr

I see you are a controller. Same here. Going into budget season. Ugggggggggggggggggghhhh!!


123 posted on 11/08/2005 10:44:22 AM PST by JackDanielsOldNo7 (If it wasn't for marriage, I would not have this screenname.)
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To: Aquinasfan

And neither are *HYPOCRITES* welcome into the Kingdom of Heaven.. How many men good christian men are hooked on Internet Porn have secret affairs, this happens I see it in my own church and personally the Church does not even think that is the BIG SIN, but keep tithing keep the family together, keep asking Jesus for forgiveness and if you are weak when it comes to keeping your pants zipped or feeling Lust in your heart just pray...that's what it is...


124 posted on 11/08/2005 10:47:44 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: JackDanielsOldNo7

good luck to you...its budget season here now too...than year end season...then tax return season...than August.


Its way better than working private though. The hours were a bit longer.


125 posted on 11/08/2005 10:50:22 AM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: laney
I am a Christian I love GOD with all my heart, but I will be damned if I am going to be a Hypocrite Holier than Thou Christian

Like I said, be prepared, since you are clearly stating that you are willing to run the risk of damnation in order to do it your way.

126 posted on 11/08/2005 10:50:28 AM PST by Albion Wilde (America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. – George W. Bush)
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To: laney
How many men good christian men are hooked on Internet Porn have secret affairs, this happens I see it in my own church and personally the Church does not even think that is the BIG SIN, but keep tithing keep the family together, keep asking Jesus for forgiveness and if you are weak when it comes to keeping your pants zipped or feeling Lust in your heart just pray...that's what it is...

This kind of thing is horrible, but the best outcome is repentence and the restoration of the marriage, right? Life can be messy.

127 posted on 11/08/2005 10:52:09 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: laney
Actually, there is no reason to GET MARRIED unless you want to have children. Why

Don't get all logical. You'll interrupt the daydream of the romantics. The older I get the more I realize that the reality of marriage is put to the test when you have children. It's hard work and a secure environment is so important them, so you do everything to stay together. But when it's just the two of you why put yourself in the position of a possible ugly legal entanglement?

Personally, I'm a proponent of perpetual dating for those past childbearing years.

128 posted on 11/08/2005 10:53:18 AM PST by CaptainK
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To: Albion Wilde

So I guess you are casting the first stone...Unless you are PERFECT my friend then that is a Judgemental statement.

GOD knows my heart and he will judge me accordingly...


129 posted on 11/08/2005 10:53:56 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Children will rarely recommend divorce but that is from a fear of the unknown.

FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN?!?!?! Do you realize how far out into space you have to go to come up with that as a reason for children not wanting their parents to divorce? That's like saying 4 Year olds aren't pro abortion because "well they just fear the unknown"... That's absolute nonsense.

You might want to check up on those, lots of boys being raised by moms, who had dads before the divorce winding up in lots of trouble to. Particularly in their teen years.

Other than real abuse or neglect there is nothing other than selfishness as any other justification for divorce.

130 posted on 11/08/2005 10:55:52 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Albion Wilde
first you prophesy a smackdown...now you continue with more judgement

plank, eye

This would do well for everyone to remember:

Matthew 7: 1-5
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

131 posted on 11/08/2005 10:57:00 AM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: laney

oh, i see you made that point.

sorry for stepping in


132 posted on 11/08/2005 10:57:29 AM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: CaptainK

EXACTLY!
Although some say you are going to HEll!
What is wrong with having a great relationship with a person that when you both want to see each other you get together and enjoy each other then go home when it's time no arguing no baggage a great time with someone where there is a genuine WANT when you want to get together..


133 posted on 11/08/2005 10:58:02 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: pollyannaish
I think somewhere along the way, we forgot that marriage is not only not just about us, or our spouse or even our children, but also our neighbors, friends and fellow citizens. Because of that lack of focus, we have damaged marriage to the point that it has become little more than a sexual and financial arrangement, which makes it completely transient and mostly about instant gratification. Consequences be dammed....

Agreed, your words fall in line very well with Christ's teachings. We are not only stewards to our families; we are stewards to society as a whole.....

Again, nicely stated.....
134 posted on 11/08/2005 10:59:29 AM PST by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: wallcrawlr

Good Post! Thank you...:)


135 posted on 11/08/2005 10:59:49 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: laney

Oh, well I've seen tons of folks enter into marriage with full on blinders on.. not having a clue what they are in for.

Its not a matter of being "madly" in love... its a matter of not being realistic in expectations.


136 posted on 11/08/2005 11:02:02 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: laney
So I guess you are casting the first stone...Unless you are PERFECT my friend then that is a Judgemental statement. GOD knows my heart and he will judge me accordingly...

Nope, I'm an ordinary human sinner like everybody else. But God is perfect and he expects us to look at his will for our lives, not our judgment.

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." -- Proverbs 3:5

"For your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginnning it was not so. And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery." --Jesus, in Matthew 19:8-9

137 posted on 11/08/2005 11:05:05 AM PST by Albion Wilde (America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. – George W. Bush)
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To: Aquinasfan

Sure it is..But I beg to say most people are AFRAID, afraid of being alone afraid of being unloved afraid to be on there own. I can honsetly say I am not afraid on being alone, although lonliness would be hard wether married or un-married.

I have expereinced BOTH being lonely while married and being happy being alone...


138 posted on 11/08/2005 11:05:14 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: wallcrawlr

See post # 137.


139 posted on 11/08/2005 11:09:10 AM PST by Albion Wilde (America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. – George W. Bush)
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To: HamiltonJay
My parents got divorced when I was a baby and based on their general conduct towards each other I do not believe forcing them to stay married would have made my childhood easier. My father remarried and has stayed married for over twenty years, and I have a half-sister, had my parents stayed married I would have been subjected to their daily bickering and screaming. It was bad enough to hear it when it was time for visitation.

Do I wish I grew up in an intact family? Yes. But I was born of two people who should not have ever gotten married in the first place, so what are you going to do?

140 posted on 11/08/2005 11:09:47 AM PST by LWalk18
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